I've tried numerous WBTB methods, more recently the one with the timer. And they all seem really great, but the problem is whenever I wake up after sleeping for 4-5hours I can't go back to sleep, and if I do end up going back to sleep it takes over an hour and by then I've given up on trying to use the timer, or I've given up on having that lucid dreaming mindset.

I've tried to not move much when I wake up and stay away from light but that still doesn't really help. Usually when I get up for WBTB it's natural and I don't use a clock to get up after 4 hours. Is there something I'm doing wrong? Because I really want to be able to try the timer technique, but in order to do that I need to be able to go back to bed! Also I've heard of the water technique where you drink large amounts of water to wake you up doing after REM so I might try that soon.

Any advice will help. Thanks!