The Real Deal On The WILD Technique?

**xpin2winx** · 07-23-2012 03:39 AM

For a Newb like me there is so much misinformation out there for me to attempt WILDing.

Ive noticed two things when people talk about the WILD technique.

You do not have to enter sleep paralysis to WILD
- I thought thats the main focus of WILD, is to trick your body into sleep paralysis so you can consciously dream?

You want to be falling asleep attempting to WILD
- If you want to fall asleep, then wouldnt that be pointless? I understand that you need to be very relaxed and focused to enter SP but wouldnt actually trying to fall asleep be to risky? Dont you just want to stay still until you enter SP?

**melanieb** · 07-23-2012 03:51 AM

Not everyone will experience sleep paralysis when falling asleep or waking up, even while attempting WILD. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Some will experience it every time.

WILD is a way to carry consciousness or awareness into a dream state, an effort to lucid dream by retaining some awareness of the waking world. Elements of your surroundings including sights and sounds may carry over into your dream.

The main focus of WILD is to retain awareness, whether you have SP or not.

You need to be asleep to be dreaming. What I mean by this is you need to enter REM sleep. This is why you want to fall asleep but retain the awareness you spent time creating before falling asleep.

Attempting the WILD technique works better when you are ready to sleep, preferably at a time when your body would enter REM readily. Naps are good for this when you are tired mid-day, or if you wake up after 4 or 5 hours and then go back to sleep like in the WBTB technique.

Hope that helps.

**xpin2winx** · 07-23-2012 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by melanieb

Not everyone will experience sleep paralysis when falling asleep or waking up, even while attempting WILD. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. Some will experience it every time.

WILD is a way to carry consciousness or awareness into a dream state, an effort to lucid dream by retaining some awareness of the waking world. Elements of your surroundings including sights and sounds may carry over into your dream.

The main focus of WILD is to retain awareness, whether you have SP or not.

You need to be asleep to be dreaming. What I mean by this is you need to enter REM sleep. This is why you want to fall asleep but retain the awareness you spent time creating before falling asleep.

Attempting the WILD technique works better when you are ready to sleep, preferably at a time when your body would enter REM readily. Naps are good for this when you are tired mid-day, or if you wake up after 4 or 5 hours and then go back to sleep like in the WBTB technique.

Hope that helps.

Still that doesnt make sense to a newbie like me. When i see threads like Jeffs Free Falling WILD or Mind Awake Body Asleep. It seems like thats where beginners should go to achieve to WILD. How can you retain awareness into a dream, if you fall asleep? Alot of threads ive seen on here are people who cant WILD simply because they fall asleep during their attempts. Chances are for someone like me, trying to keep myself aware will keep me awake. The times when im not aware are when im able to fall asleep. If you can bring awareness into a dream isnt that just a DILD? My plans for WILDs have just been lay on my back, do a couple flex relaxation exercises and focus on my breathing. I sleep on my side so im going to start attempting them on my side.

Isnt the whole concept behind WILD to literally be awake while dreaming. And the only way for that to happen is to enter the Mind awake body asleep.

**dms111** · 07-23-2012 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by xpin2winx

How can you retain awareness into a dream, if you fall asleep?

You have to redefine what it means to fall asleep. Falling asleep does not have to mean losing consciousness. Think of a WILD as watching yourself fall asleep.

**cmind** · 07-23-2012 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by xpin2winx

Still that doesnt make sense to a newbie like me. When i see threads like Jeffs Free Falling WILD or Mind Awake Body Asleep.

Unfortunately, people like Jeff777 are a blight on the WILD community that spread misinformation. For the real deal, check out any guide by mzzkc, such as Why You Fail at WILDs.

I don't know why it's so hard for some people to get the concept, because it's so simple: to dream, you need to be asleep. How are you going to fall asleep if you're doing stupid things like lying in uncomfortable positions (why lie down at all then?), keeping perfectly still, not swallowing, etc. These ideas are so incredibly destructive to the community...

**xpin2winx** · 07-23-2012 06:28 PM

alright i think i know what youre trying to say now. So instead of just laying in a position pretty much staying awake until you reach sleep paralysis, you want to fall asleep but keep slight awareness on a mental or physical anchor. Like when i tried WILDing, i tried on my back. Ive only slept a couple times on my back because it was the only comfortable position due to back pains but i never sleep on my back ever. I always sleep on my side. Im gonna try it like this, lay on my side after WBTB. Stay still, attempt to fall back asleep but keep my awareness on my fan noise which shouldnt keep me too awake, and hopefully i will see HI, reach SP, or something along those lines?

**cmind** · 07-23-2012 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by xpin2winx

alright i think i know what youre trying to say now. So instead of just laying in a position pretty much staying awake until you reach sleep paralysis, you want to fall asleep but keep slight awareness on a mental or physical anchor. Like when i tried WILDing, i tried on my back. Ive only slept a couple times on my back because it was the only comfortable position due to back pains but i never sleep on my back ever. I always sleep on my side. Im gonna try it like this, lay on my side after WBTB. Stay still, attempt to fall back asleep but keep my awareness on my fan noise which shouldnt keep me too awake, and hopefully i will see HI, reach SP, or something along those lines?

You can't keep total awareness, that just keeps you awake. You need to lose a substantial part of your awareness to fall asleep. This is why you need an anchor, so you only lose 99% awareness instead of 100%. So not only must your body be comfortable, but you must also allow your mind to wander as it normally would. You must be a passive observer on the free flowing illogical thoughts that start to appear near sleep. Your "awareness" must be restricted to only the most abstract of thoughts.

As for SP: forget about SP. SP has nothing to do with WILD, despite what some really bad guides may say. What you're looking for is HH (hypnagogic hallucinations) and vibrations. However, HH and vibrations are merely a signpost telling you that you've arrived at the threshold, and should not be actively sought out. Remember, your thoughts are free flowing, possibly illogical. You are nothing more than a very abstract passive observer. Resist the urge to think.

**xpin2winx** · 07-23-2012 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by cmind

You can't keep total awareness, that just keeps you awake. You need to lose a substantial part of your awareness to fall asleep. This is why you need an anchor, so you only lose 99% awareness instead of 100%. So not only must your body be comfortable, but you must also allow your mind to wander as it normally would. You must be a passive observer on the free flowing illogical thoughts that start to appear near sleep. Your "awareness" must be restricted to only the most abstract of thoughts.

As for SP: forget about SP. SP has nothing to do with WILD, despite what some really bad guides may say. What you're looking for is HH (hypnagogic hallucinations) and vibrations. However, HH and vibrations are merely a signpost telling you that you've arrived at the threshold, and should not be actively sought out. Remember, your thoughts are free flowing, possibly illogical. You are nothing more than a very abstract passive observer. Resist the urge to think.

i completley understand now. It was just so confusing, because i read dozens of WILD guides and half of them just say trick your body into SP by staying still in uncomfortable positions and the other said the opposite

**n00bf0rlyf3** · 07-24-2012 03:49 AM

What I do (I've only had 1 deild so I'm not a professional) is relax for awhile on my back and then switch to my side. (So I meditate first)

**cmind** · 07-24-2012 04:33 AM

Originally Posted by xpin2winx

i completley understand now. It was just so confusing, because i read dozens of WILD guides and half of them just say trick your body into SP by staying still in uncomfortable positions and the other said the opposite

Guides by mzzkc go into more detail. Here's the main one:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f79/mzzkcs...-guide-105484/

**Sageous** · 07-24-2012 04:40 AM

Originally Posted by xpin2winx

i completley understand now. It was just so confusing, because i read dozens of WILD guides and half of thehttp://www.dreamviews.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1919882m just say trick your body into SP by staying still in uncomfortable positions and the other said the opposite

xpin2winx, I suggest then that you stop reading all that stuff. Listen to Cmind, because he is correct, and check out Mzzkc's work, because he has a real handle on the insanity that has gripped many on this site regarding "SP."

If you're interested, I just finished a course on WILD that you might want to review. It's missing all the bells, whistles and scary stuff those other threads have, and has the nerve to call SP just so much "noise," but maybe it'll help...