Linking waking body with dream body?

[Vitor]

I've been having trouble with some LDs, the situation is: On LaBerge's book, he says that the only part of the actual body that moves with the dream body are the eyes. So, for instance, if you move your eyes left on the dream, you also look left under your eyelids. The problem is, I wear contact lenses during the day, and my eyes get extremely dry on the night, to the point of feeling pain because of eye movement. Now, if I sleep without waking up not even once during the night, I have no eye problems while lucid dreaming. But when I wake up and go back to sleep (which is A LOT more likely to get me a lucid dream), I feel my eyes hurting while moving them in the dream, and end up losing the LD. I've thought about using eye drops while laying down when I plan on lucid dreaming, but that makes my brain too awake. Any advice on this? Can I disconnect completely from the waking body by doing better stabilization?

[Hukif]

Have you tried a more natural approach? Like Chamaemelum nobile?

[LucidJuggalo]

Have you considered that maybe you only feel pain because you consciously or subconsciously expect it to be there? During a dream, you should pretty much be completely shut off from external senses.

[lumiina]

I took a class on dreaming and learned that eye movements of the actual body are totally unrelated to your dream body's eye movements.

[Vitor]

Have you considered that maybe you only feel pain because you consciously or subconsciously expect it to be there? During a dream, you should pretty much be completely shut off from external senses. Yes, but I never expected that to happen in the first place, until it happened for the first time , and now it's complicated. I took a class on dreaming and learned that eye movements of the actual body are totally unrelated to your dream body's eye movements. I'm open for new discoveries, his book is pretty old, but LaBerge wrote that he demonstrated scientifically the validity of lucid dreaming by consciously moving his eyes letf to right for a certain number of times, so others could see it.

[Hukif]

Yep, they used morse. It depends on the sleep phase you are in on whether it will correlate or not to waking eye-movement really. Either way, you can also stop using sight in lucids and go with another sense for directions or simply will a 3rd person camera so they don't move. Or even make a new body that "won't be related" to the waking one and switching.

[lumiina]

That is so fascinating! I really don't think my dream class was as advanced as it could've been. It was just an intro class really. I learned a lot of interesting things and found about dream research journals thanks to it which do deal with lucid dreaming, but the word lucid was only briefly dropped in the class a few times and there was hardly any talk of lucidity. It was an online class. I passionately wrote about lucid dreaming there, but a lot of students did not think dreams could be controlled (as part of the four principles of dreaming). None of the students was into lucid dreaming but me. My teacher did mention lucid dreaming a bit, but we didn't go deep into it. Now I feel like I've learned false information, ha. If it weren't for that class I wouldn't have gotten into lucid dreaming again, so I have that to thank for it at least. But I think I've learned more on this forum than I did in that class.

[Vitor]

That is so fascinating! I really don't think my dream class was as advanced as it could've been. It was just an intro class really. I learned a lot of interesting things and found about dream research journals thanks to it which do deal with lucid dreaming, but the word lucid was only briefly dropped in the class a few times and there was hardly any talk of lucidity. It was an online class. I passionately wrote about lucid dreaming there, but a lot of students did not think dreams could be controlled (as part of the four principles of dreaming). None of the students was into lucid dreaming but me. My teacher did mention lucid dreaming a bit, but we didn't go deep into it. Now I feel like I've learned false information, ha. If it weren't for that class I wouldn't have gotten into lucid dreaming again, so I have that to thank for it at least. But I think I've learned more on this forum than I did in that class. I'd recommend you the books: Lucid Dreaming: Gateway to the Inner Self by Robert Waggoner Exploring the world of lucid dreaming by Stephen LaBerge They are excellent in my opinion and very interesting.