Too tired to WILD when I wake in the middle of the night?

[TooCoolForNames]

Sometimes I set my alarm for about 5-6 hours after I go to sleep with the intention to wake up and try to perform a WILD in the night. However, usually when I wake up I'm simply too tired and unmotivated to put in the effort; I just want to go back to sleep. Is there a way to make myself feel more WILD ready after waking up, without making myself so energetic I can't get back to sleep again to enter the lucid dream? I'm pretty new to WILDING. I almost got there once, and then I think I may have had some kind of successful WILD at some point, but I don't actually remember it that well and I lost lucidity almost instantly upon entering the dream. But I'm pretty sure I can do it with the right preparations. The only problem is I just don't feel like it after waking up in the night. Do you think it would help if I was just more determined before I went to sleep? Or if I left some kind of note to myself not to mess up my opportunity? It doesn't help that in the middle of the night I'm often feeling a bit frightened and wary about WILDING due to my overactive imagination. I can't just go make coffee or something to help because I live with my mum and firstly we don't have coffee and secondly, I don't think she'd appreciate it if I woke her up boiling a kettle because she is a really light sleeper.

[Sivason]

WBTB can be as little as a few minutes. It depends on the person. Just get up, go to the rest room, or some thing and then try it out.

[pointofbeing]

http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...ail-wilds.html I highly recommend this thread you who shall remain nameless because your too cool ;P Also before you read on I recomend looking if your cellphone has a task alarm, you can set that for about 6 or so hours after you sleep and set it up for like 5 second auto shutoff so it gets you awake just enough for DEILD form of WILD. Here are some quotes from this thread I like: "it is impossible to WILD without first falling asleep. Secondary to falling asleep is maintaining awareness of the event. Key word: Secondary." Basically don't worry about being too tired, as being tired is a great thing for a wild. "Don't get caught up on SP." Basically don't stress or think about it. "Recognize what happens when falling asleep. This is pretty straightforward. Simply recall moments where you were about to fall asleep, but were suddenly forced into alertness." What this means is any time you get snapped into wakefulness don't go *beep* this I failed, but jot into your memory of how it felt just before. "Things to look for passively during wild, or deild, meaning don't put too much stress or effort in : The Hypnagogic State Once relaxed and dreamy, allow your mind to lead you into the hypnagogic state. You'll see patterns and colors that take over your vision in the darkness. Observe the hypnagogia and allow it to draw your awareness away from the outside world. It may also produce sounds like music and voices, or physical sensations like floating or tipping. Sometimes you'll wake up in the night and find yourself deep in this dreamy state, where your body is soft and relaxed and your mind is drifting back into the dream world without any effort at all. When you catch that cloud - float on it! The internal dream world will start to evolve now. Embrace it. All the while, hold on to that critical silent thought: "I'm dreaming". Remember to let your body stay soft and sink into the bed, keeping absolutely still and letting the numbness taking over. If you have a persistent itch, scratch it and start over, but otherwise try to stay completely still, soft and relaxed. Silence your inner monologue if it starts to chime in at this point. Calmly accept any strange noises and feelings as best you can. The stimulus is part-dream - it's all internally generated - so remain fearless and take it on in the manner of an intrepid explorer." "Tips For Success: Know how sleep works. Don't get caught up on SP. It's okay to swallow, really. Experiment when appropriate, but try to stay consistent as much as possible. Afternoon naps can often be great times to WILD. Start attempts in a comfortable position. Don't stress out about moving. But try not to move unless absolutely necessary. FALL ASLEEP!" It's a long thread, but worth checking out for anyone new to wilds. Also, Deild is worth checking out. DEILD description in this link, it's an imho better form of wild for those who fall asleep fast, and or slip from dream to dream, it's not full proof tho and nothing is. http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.c...id-dreams.html

[Mr0Blonde]

Yeah I think if you get more determined about it it would help, just think how much better you'll feel the next day if you get a good Lucid Dream! When you get real good ones they can make you feel good for the next week or so, so waking yourself up for WBTB will be more than worth it. Also unless you have to get up early don't worry about waking yourself up to much, a few years ago I found the harder you find it to fall back to sleep, the higher the chances you'll get a Lucid Dream.

[Mellanhavande]

"it is impossible to WILD without first falling asleep. Secondary to falling asleep is maintaining awareness of the event. Key word: Secondary." Basically don't worry about being too tired, as being tired is a great thing for a wild. This. Just this. For some reason a lot of beginners think that WILD is all about staying ultimately awake and then they don't understand why their attempts to WILD fails. That is just wrong, you don't need to feel completely awake, be ''energetic'' and stuff in order to succesfully get a lucid dream. I think that WILD isn't the best technique for inexperienced lucid dreamers whatsoever, because it requires some... uhm... notion about how the lucid dreams work. Or something like that.

[Mr0Blonde]

Mellanhavande. While you don't need to be completely awake to get a WILD, it honestly helps! Obviously I can only go by my own experience but if it works for me it will work for others too. The longer it takes to drift back off seems to help with the maintaining of awareness, it's like you build up more intent to catch yourself at the moment just as you fall asleep, so you keep conscious and get into a Lucid Dream. I pretty much always MILD these days but if I try to WILD and I'm still drowsy after WBTB, I fall to sleep to quickly, rarely hang on to consciousness and don't get Lucid from it half as much.

[Sensei]

I really like the WILD techs often put on here. Sageous and Mzzkc's are amazing. The other thing is practice, practice, practice. LDing takes time. If you want to be proficient at WILD, try to WILD often. multiple times a night if you can. It is not a good thing to be super tired during WILD, but the balance is what you are searching for and the only way for you to find your balance point is to practice all the time.

[MarioTheStoner]

I also found that I had trouble with getting up to attempt the Wild, but I found another technique which eliminates the need of the essential relaxation phase. The tutorial is from a while ago (2009) but I believe it's still quite promising. It's by a user called CrazyInsane's, here's the link to it http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...torial-**.html Tell me what you think of the tutorial

[pointofbeing]

CUSTOM ALARM NOISE Wake-initiated Lucid Dream is the best tutorial on Dreamviews by far. It's all about using a task alarm, set to only ring once then you try not to move as soon as it wakes you. That's why I told op to check for their cellphones task alarms. As long as you can catch yourself from moving, you should almost immediately slip back in 1sec to less than a min tops with a wild (at least as long as you are close to a rem cycle) even if it doesn't work, from experience it reduces time to less than 10min to do a regular wild as long as you don't get out of bed and stay relaxed. I always preferred my custom task alarms as a set of five vibrations then auto shut off, but I have had many lucid's from can-wild, which is imho a from of DEILD, but it's controlled. This guy got almost 50 likes, on one post from this tutorial for a reason, it's also one of the longest running threads with 29 pages of comments, it's legendary! In 2009 when he made this tutorial, not many phones actually had proper auto alarms that could work outside of smart phones. But now even cheep cells have custom task alarms. To set it up right set the task appointment, under calender as start: whatever time you want to try, and set the task end for the same time. Set duration for 0 hours 0 minuets and make sure reminder is also set to 0min. Make sure the task alarm is set for out of holster. Give this a try op, it's the best wild technique by far for beginners. Good task alarms allow for you to alter how loud how long and how many beeps and or vibrations you get before it cut's out (also what noise you use), three long vibrations with no audio is my absolute favorite! It's just enough to barely get you up. If you use a noise biased alarm set it up as something other than the one you use to wake up, you will thank me latter ;P If you have an android device the amazing freeware Sleep Time Alarm Clock attempts to gather your sleep cycles with the accelerometer, and can be set to just record, then when using task alarms you'll have a good idea of when to set for yourself.