DEILD Mask Results. A Missed Trick?

[ezzolucid]

Im confused, at least I was confused. I like to be confused as it gives me the opportunity to 'unconfuse' myself and discover new ways of doing things. The issue of this weeks confusion lies within the lucid dreaming mask industry. And this is the confusing issue of my now-unconfused confusion! - confused? So I have been a real champion of late of DEILD using an alarm (CANwild) I have been practising using apps, headphones, auto-stop alarms and have has some nominal success. In fact when I look at my analytical data I can see that the following has occured when trying to perform a DEILD Performing a DEILD after a natural awakening - 4 successes Performing a DELID using an alarm app with headphones - 5 successes As you can see, being interupted during sleep as opposed to after sleep seems more successful as long as the alarm is just enough to rouse and not jerk you wide awake. When awoken during REM it is easy, even effortless to become lucid via a dream or OBE Aaaaannnnyyywwwaaaaayyyysssss ...... I have been researching dream masks with rem detection and in the instructions and on forums the number 1 problem seems to be that the flashing LED lights may wake you up. Methods are offered how to avoid waking up so that the lights intergrate into the dream instead of waking you up Now this is where im confused because from my opinion, this makes lucid dream masks absolutley and unequivably THE PERFECT DEVICE FOR DEILDS! I now have a RemDreamer mask, i slip it on, i set it so the lights will be bright enough to wake me and set it to flash for 2 seconds and it is perfect. I sleep, it wakes me in REM and i simply DEILD! Im confused as to why the makers of these masks do not amplify the fact that their product can double as a fantastic DEILD device instead of doing everything they can to advice against waking up with their device ... odd, very odd! If I was the inventor of RemDreamer / Novadreamer / even Remee, i would be saying that ' if the led lights wake you then perform a DEILD' What do you guys make of this, i think the lucid mask industry is really missing an advertising trick here! Also do you think the infrared detectors are safe for the eye? Thanks guys Ezzo

[FryingMan]

I never had luck with my remee for DEILDs, but perhaps I never found just the right combination before it stopped working entirely. Of about 100 nights of use, mostly I never noticed anything, except for twice the lights went off in the middle of a dream, startling me fully awake instantly. I have the same notion: masks like remee could be great for DEILD, but still without REM detection, it's a needle in a haystack.

[Redrivertears]

Hey there, I keep wondering: The body has an amazing ability to adapt to and learn to ignore outside stimuli when sleeping. Has there been studies on the prolonged effect of such electronic shortcuts? I would think there's a good chance that, after some initial success, their positive effect starts to fade as the body simply becomes used to them. -Redrivertears-

[ezzolucid]

Hey there, I keep wondering: The body has an amazing ability to adapt to and learn to ignore outside stimuli when sleeping. Has there been studies on the prolonged effect of such electronic shortcuts? I would think there's a good chance that, after some initial success, their positive effect starts to fade as the body simply becomes used to them. -Redrivertears- Hi, i wonder if Remee really is a needle in a haystack when used as a DEILD alarm :-/ Im thinking after a wbtb of about 7 hours and setting the remee for every 10 mins then over the course of an hour that needle becomes a scaffold pole in a haystack as there a more than 50% chance of the alarm waking you in a dream. hmmm

[FryingMan]

Hi, i wonder if Remee really is a needle in a haystack when used as a DEILD alarm :-/ Im thinking after a wbtb of about 7 hours and setting the remee for every 10 mins then over the course of an hour that needle becomes a scaffold pole in a haystack as there a more than 50% chance of the alarm waking you in a dream. hmmm You really need the sleep/REM detection, otherwise variations in the time it takes to get back to sleep could ruin it as seeing the lights when already awake always reset my drowsiness and I had to start falling asleep all over again.

[SearcherTMR]

Performing a DEILD after a natural awakening - 4 successes Performing a DELID using an alarm app with headphones - 5 successes I now have a RemDreamer mask, i slip it on, i set it so the lights will be bright enough to wake me and set it to flash for 2 seconds and it is perfect. I sleep, it wakes me in REM and i simply DEILD! Could you please make a more detailed record of these? I mean, alarm DEILD: 5 successes - but after how many trials and how many fails? RemDreamer DEILD: how many successes after how many trial and how many fails? Its quite interesting for me, as I had great hope for this technique as well - but unfortunately I haven't been able to have good results with it... Im confused as to why the makers of these masks do not amplify the fact that their product can double as a fantastic DEILD device instead of doing everything they can to advice against waking up with their device ... odd, very odd! Maybe perhaps because its not that effective for others?

[ezzolucid]

You really need the sleep/REM detection, otherwise variations in the time it takes to get back to sleep could ruin it as seeing the lights when already awake always reset my drowsiness and I had to start falling asleep all over again. Yes, ive found this to be the case with me too, however, once lucid i always tell myself that i will be seeing remee lights soon and to ignore then and that seems to work. The RemDreamer is a much better option, shame its not as comfortable as the remme ...... roll on Aurora! :-)

[FryingMan]

Some people take a long time to fall asleep again after *any* waking, especially alarm wakings, making the alarm-DEILD approach not workable. If it does work for you, congratulations! Everyone needs to follow their own path to see what works for them.