Thread: Question for the experienced

I go for DILDs right now. I haven't gotten to the point where I can reliably induce WILDs, although I have them without effort occasionally (a few a month, give or take).

I agree it would be great to master WILD. If only I could figure out how to become proficient at it the lazy natural way I prefer. I guess the answer is increasing your self-awareness. I'm still not quite sure how to do that though.

Not sure if I'm experienced enough, but here are my two cents...

I try to have both DILDs and WILDs - but DILDs are much more successful for me. I have a fairy consistent monthly number of them and they range from short LDs to long LDs. The only thing I need to do to keep having them is to keep practicing the "basics" (you know - recall, awareness, etc)

WILDs on the other hand are still sporadic for me. Some nights I try them up to 3 times, not counting DEILDs, but my success rate with the various WILDs is about the same - relatively low and unpredictable. Plus WILD induced lucids tend to be shorted... But I have noticed that even if the WILD itself is unsuccessful I'm more likely to become aware later (as a DILD).

So to sum up, to me it seems that WILDs are harder to master. Practicing them while aiming mostly for DILDs is more beneficial in my opinion, because without the basics (DILD training) the WILDs are even less likely to work, at least for me. I don't like to focus on WILD in my practice because of their unpredictability - sometimes they work great, other nights they just don't.

Walk before you can run - start with DIELD then advance to WILD although if you are proficient at DIELDing then theres no need for WILDing :-)

Dont listen to them.First of all,WILD isn't convinient,cuz you have to wake up in the middle of the night(already hard task as is)
and then stay up for 10mins,and then preforming WILD (at least 20mins),resulting in that you lose 30minutes of sleep(most of us
work or go to school so we can't lose on sleep).and then after all of that,wild is difficult to execute correctly to get result you want
(result=LD).And trust me,starting to learn to WILD is painful and time costly task,and often you won't get results you want and give up.
i suggest you to practice dild,ADA(All Day Awarennes)to be precise.it is basicly a little change in your lifestyle,doing a lot of reality checks
and be aware of where you are and why you are there(there is a hole topic about it).Don't put a lot of focus on attaining lucidity,you need to plan what are you going to
do in your dream,need to learn a habit of stabilizing your LD.AND last!!!You need to learn dream control,cuz if you don't know how to control
and you don't know what are you going to do in lucid dream,you will most likely wake up really fast.

If you have any questions,just ask!
GoodbyE

Originally Posted by Mate122

Dont listen to them.First of all,WILD isn't convinient,cuz you have to wake up in the middle of the night(already hard task as is)
and then stay up for 10mins,and then preforming WILD (at least 20mins),resulting in that you lose 30minutes of sleep(most of us
work or go to school so we can't lose on sleep).and then after all of that,wild is difficult to execute correctly to get result you want
(result=LD).And trust me,starting to learn to WILD is painful and time costly task,and often you won't get results you want and give up.
i suggest you to practice dild,ADA(All Day Awarennes)to be precise.it is basicly a little change in your lifestyle,doing a lot of reality checks
and be aware of where you are and why you are there(there is a hole topic about it).Don't put a lot of focus on attaining lucidity,you need to plan what are you going to
do in your dream,need to learn a habit of stabilizing your LD.AND last!!!You need to learn dream control,cuz if you don't know how to control
and you don't know what are you going to do in lucid dream,you will most likely wake up really fast.

If you have any questions,just ask!
GoodbyE

OK, so i agree fully that learning to WILD is not the way to go, It is a tricky balance and does take a whilst to master. DEILD on the other hand does not require getting up in the night and with the right practice will be idea for you. I suggest reading 'The Phase' by Michael Raduga which is free online. It is a fantastic book on how to DEILD.

Originally Posted by Mate122

Dont listen to them.First of all,WILD isn't convinient,cuz you have to wake up in the middle of the night(already hard task as is)
and then stay up for 10mins,and then preforming WILD (at least 20mins),resulting in that you lose 30minutes of sleep(most of us
work or go to school so we can't lose on sleep).and then after all of that,wild is difficult to execute correctly to get result you want
(result=LD).And trust me,starting to learn to WILD is painful and time costly task,and often you won't get results you want and give up.
i suggest you to practice dild,ADA(All Day Awarennes)to be precise.it is basicly a little change in your lifestyle,doing a lot of reality checks
and be aware of where you are and why you are there(there is a hole topic about it).Don't put a lot of focus on attaining lucidity,you need to plan what are you going to
do in your dream,need to learn a habit of stabilizing your LD.AND last!!!You need to learn dream control,cuz if you don't know how to control
and you don't know what are you going to do in lucid dream,you will most likely wake up really fast.

If you have any questions,just ask!
GoodbyE

Don't listen to who? Every reply on this thread agrees that WILD is harder to master - no one claims otherwise. Not every form of WILD is time consuming or complicated by the way - DEILD and FILD take five minutes at most (usually less). And ADA is not "a little change in your lifestyle" - you need to be consistent and do it throughout the whole day. It is very time consuming especially at first, before it's a habit.

About dream stabilization and control - the OP asked specifically about ways to attain lucidity, so that's why no one else talked about these.

Originally Posted by Mate122

Dont listen to them.First of all,WILD isn't convinient,cuz you have to wake up in the middle of the night(already hard task as is)
and then stay up for 10mins,and then preforming WILD (at least 20mins),resulting in that you lose 30minutes of sleep(most of us
work or go to school so we can't lose on sleep).and then after all of that,wild is difficult to execute correctly to get result you want
(result=LD).And trust me,starting to learn to WILD is painful and time costly task,and often you won't get results you want and give up.
i suggest you to practice dild,ADA(All Day Awarennes)to be precise.it is basicly a little change in your lifestyle,doing a lot of reality checks
and be aware of where you are and why you are there(there is a hole topic about it).Don't put a lot of focus on attaining lucidity,you need to plan what are you going to
do in your dream,need to learn a habit of stabilizing your LD.AND last!!!You need to learn dream control,cuz if you don't know how to control
and you don't know what are you going to do in lucid dream,you will most likely wake up really fast.

If you have any questions,just ask!
GoodbyE

^ this, I agree. but only if you don't know how to fall asleep. Although the tradition is to become lucid first and then learn how to dream control, but in my experience it led me to attach on lucidity itself, resulting more of LDs like -you become lucid yay! - can't remember what I wanna do - lose lucidity immediately. Of course no judge what people have taught here. For me I simply reversed the way - learning how to dream control first, then the awareness followed naturally cuz you know already you're breaking a lot of physical laws in dream. but dream control practice doesn't happen alone in the dream, I usually do it while meditating - controlling HIs, visualization practice, trying to feel my dream body moving, smelling, taste etc. Lucidity is like lifting finger, it's only a change in consciousness. It's not about 'how' you get there but rather 'what you do with it'. what's a LD without having to experience awesome dream battle and magics?

That's just my experience but I'd say first, learn how to fall asleep rather than trying to be awake. you'll spend most of nights not falling asleep, having unrestful sleeps, more than relaxing vivid dream night. Like in Judo, you don't learn how to attack the opponent first, you learn how to fall on the floor to prevent injury.

If you wanna learn WILD relaxing is super important more than trying to be aware that you're falling asleep. Actually it's first key for everything in LD, remember relax, relax first. If you're relaxed the natural focus happens, focus doesn't mean you're concentrating on something while squeezing your head - quite the opposite. As you get more relaxed, you're quicker to fall in alpha state, creating HIs(sleep imagery while eyes closed) which becomes the dream itself.

Spontaneous WILD can happen. It happened to me a lot. Only if you're relaxed and sleepy enough. Then learn how to create senses out of your own, strong enough to transition into the dream. It's extremely hard to WILD at first not making any sensory immersion (it's possible to transition into dream from blank state but when you're experienced). But once you learn it everything comes easy. Feel, don't think. It's all about feeling.

Anyway, that was my 99 cents, the rest you have to experience yourself and play with it. More theorizing and making words won't make it happen. On the other side though, it's gonna be very fun

Who says you can't LD at will with DILD? I do it all the time, but they are both hard to master. Think about it, how many WILDs does one person manage in a few months? And how many DILDs? Do you call that at will when both are really low at the start?

It is just a question of how good one gets and how much effort one puts into it, that's all there is to it. So in my opinion, just pursue that which is best for you and nothing else.

Sorry it took me long to reply.I was very busy.
By saying Don't listen to them i wasnt saying that people are saying to him(Clidu)that WILD
is easy to learn and master.People(you and few others)were encouraging him to continue
with WILD.I thought(and still think)that that idea was bad.Clidu,no offense,but from what i read
you are beginner.WILD isn't beginner method,use dild methods or some wild methods(SSILD,VILD,MILD,FILD.....)
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...kingyoshi.html. This is link to KingYoshi's ADA tutorial.
In my opinion it is best option for lucid dreaming.Yes it does require some work,but,in the end,every dream will be lucid.
That is what we all want.Right?

But,if FILD,SSILD or any other techniques work,excellent!

Originally Posted by Mate122

Sorry it took me long to reply.I was very busy.
By saying Don't listen to them i wasnt saying that people are saying to him(Clidu)that WILD
is easy to learn and master.People(you and few others)were encouraging him to continue
with WILD.I thought(and still think)that that idea was bad.Clidu,no offense,but from what i read
you are beginner.WILD isn't beginner method,use dild methods or some wild methods(SSILD,VILD,MILD,FILD.....)
http://www.dreamviews.com/induction-...kingyoshi.html. This is link to KingYoshi's ADA tutorial.
In my opinion it is best option for lucid dreaming.Yes it does require some work,but,in the end,every dream will be lucid.
That is what we all want.Right?

But,if FILD,SSILD or any other techniques work,excellent!

Yeah i totally agree and yeah iv had about 100 lucids since i started 2 years ago but compared to people on here i suck lol iv decided on DEILDs and DIlDs now and i agree if a WILD doesnt work then iv missed sleep and im a night worker..i need my sleep =)