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      Exclamation A new way of Wilding?

      English is not my native language, so I would ask you to be understanding when it comes to certain writing errors.

      A week ago I woke up after hearing an alarm to practice, but for some reason I couldn't go back to sleep. Since it was early, I was tired and didn't feel like getting out of bed, I kept tossing and turning, maybe for an hour and twenty minutes or so, until I was pretty sleepy again.
      This is when something interesting happens, since I was about to fall asleep (I saw fragments of images and heard fragments of sound) but for some reason I said to myself "and what would happen if I try a dream domain now? Meh, surely I'm going to fail, since I'm not psyched to do it, but practice is better than nothing. "

      I changed position on my back (I usually sleep on my stomach), all this with my eyes closed, and once comfortable I looked at my brow.
      In a matter of maybe two or three seconds, a series of intense vibrations hit my body, adding to a very clear image in front of me, in which I was walking in slow motion on my balcony.
      Sadly I was startled and lost the state, since I was not expecting such a situation, and fell asleep.
      However, when I woke up, I began to reflect on what the hell had happened, since for the first time I had reached the required state, without having mentalized, without having visualized, without effort of any kind, completely fast and accidental.

      That's when I realized what happened. I was falling asleep normally, doing absolutely nothing outside of the routine of any day I try to sleep, but at the exact moment I fell asleep, "I checked if I had fallen asleep."
      What does this mean? at the exact moment that I fell asleep, I observed my brow, and both situations occurred simultaneously

      Have you ever been occupied with something at night time?. Maybe studying, maybe reading, maybe watching Tv. All of a sudden you realize that you're tired. But when did you become tired? When did wakefulness end and tiredness begin? Was it when you began yawning? was it when you eyes started drooping?
      Now here's another great enigma. When did you fall asleep last night? Can you remember the exact moment where tiredness became sleep? when exactly did you go from conscious to unconscious. And the answer there is no exact answer. Going from wakeful to tired, or from tired to sleep is not like an on and off switch. It's more like a continuum that merges with each other. They are all different shades of the same color.

      I was seeing some realistic hypnagogic images, but I absolutely cut the state, since I said to myself "what if I try to practice now?", And to top it off, I moved and changed my position. In short, when I was on my back, I was not even close to the state required for a WILD ... and yet, I did it, without making any effort, without seeing any images, without any anchors, nothing ...
      I only knew that I was about to fall asleep, and I moved my vision towards my brow at the exact moment I fell asleep, this movement coinciding with the moment in question.
      In this way, the only possible explanation for the result of that morning is that I corroborated whether I was (observing my brow) asleep at the exact moment I fell asleep.

      Something like this: https://www.wikihow.com/images_en/th...ion-2.jpg.webp

      There are several ways to practice.
      If you live with family members who may wake up to many alarms, it would be a good idea to buy a bluetooth headset and leave them connected when you go to sleep. In this way, when you wake up to the sound of the alarm, you will only be listening to it without disturbing anyone (in the Alarm Clock Xtreme app there is an option so that if headphones are connected, the phone's speaker does not sound).
      After waking up, it's a matter of count and check, count and check, count and check.

      Another option is to record some audio on your PC saying things like "lucid dream, count" and then transfer it to your cell phone. At night, you use a timer (say, one hour, fifty-nine minutes, and fifty seconds) and set the alarm to go off at two hours and turn itself off. In this way, the timer would wake you up, and after turning it off, instead of counting, you just wait for the alarm to tell you to visualize, and you will have a good chance that it coincides that you observe the frown at the exact moment you fell asleep.

      You can even set a timer, and instead of recording an audio reminder, use a smartwatch that vibrates those ten seconds after turning off the timer (or that vibrates the phone itself if you still have it in hand).

      Although the simplest is to place the timer, leave it near the bed, and when it goes off turn it off (if you sleep on your side, or in your stomach, like me, turn around in your back). After turning it off, count a certain number of seconds and check if you fell asleep by looking at your brow and telling yourself "lucid dreaming"

      In any case, you will have to experiment whether or not it is convenient for you to get out of bed, stay in bed, a certain amount of seconds, use one system or another, etc.
      But it could be a good way to avoid visualizations, images, sounds, mantras, not scratching, not moving, not this and not the other, blah blah. It would only be a matter of having a "good timing".

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      In summary...
      You have to go to sleep like any other day, doing nothing out of the routine, except setting the timers every ninety minutes (although if you want to force the technique, they can be set every half hour, twenty minutes, or whatever you like).
      Once awake, turn off the timer (and if you are one of those who sleep in positions on your stomach or sides, turn over on your back), close your eyes and count ten seconds. Afterwards, just move your eyes and observe your brow.

      If you fell asleep before ten seconds, in the next alarm it counts less number of seconds, and if you did the reality check and you are still awake, in the next alarm it counts less number of seconds. Each one will have to know their own times.
      If you got the reality check to match the exact moment you fell asleep, I guess you're going to feel like me. Vibrations in the body and a very clear and sharp image.

      I would deeply appreciate that all those interested, start practicing as soon as possible and comment on their results.
      In this way, we could corroborate whether it really has the potential to be a robust technique, or just a strange circumstance with no real practical value, and not waste anyone's time.
      I will be practicing all February, and then at the beginning of March I will comment on results (or maybe before, if they are very good, haha).

      I would stay very motivated if other people join, although there are no obligations or commitments haha, everyone is the owner of doing what they want.

      I wish you a good day, and a good year.
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      sounds interesting. Thanks for posting.
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      If you fell asleep before ten seconds, in the next alarm it counts less number of seconds
      Can you expand on what you mean, or how this is achieved? I set an alarm, how does it automatically get smaller?

      The 2 most important steps being "focus on brow" and "perform RC" at moment of sleep? Btw why is this method not like any other, what makes it easier to detect moment of falling asleep, I think that is the hard part already.

      Which RC do you recommend, must it be done mentally, without movement?
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      There's one major detail that needs to be addressed: the degree and frequency in which vibrations and/or hypnagogia is percieved varies drastically between individuals. Some feel it intensely and frequently, others don't perceive either states at all. These are just some reasons why these states should not be a necessary component in LD transitions.

      That's not to say it's not worth trying. Hell, I might give it a shot. It's just that I'm quite skeptical at the onset.
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      Quote Originally Posted by RelicWraith View Post
      There's one major detail that needs to be addressed: the degree and frequency in which vibrations and/or hypnagogia is percieved varies drastically between individuals. Some feel it intensely and frequently, others don't perceive either states at all. These are just some reasons why these states should not be a necessary component in LD transitions.

      That's not to say it's not worth trying. Hell, I might give it a shot. It's just that I'm quite skeptical at the onset.
      I suck to visualize. I am truly bad.

      But here your skill doesn't matter. Here it is all automatic.
      If you get that both moments, the one that you fall asleep, and the one that you check if you fall asleep, coincide, I assure you that a very clear and sharp image appears in front of you, as real as life itself.
      If you stay calm, you enter lucid dreaming and that's it.

      I have discussed it in more detail with another user, below. The point is that while we are all different (vibrations and images to me), buy something is going to feel and happen in your body.
      That something out of the ordinary is the sign that the technique worked.
      Last edited by Atlanta; 02-18-2021 at 02:54 AM.
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      Quote Originally Posted by d3nd3 View Post
      Can you expand on what you mean, or how this is achieved? I set an alarm, how does it automatically get smaller?

      The 2 most important steps being "focus on brow" and "perform RC" at moment of sleep? Btw why is this method not like any other, what makes it easier to detect moment of falling asleep, I think that is the hard part already.

      Which RC do you recommend, must it be done mentally, without movement?
      Hello, sorry for the delay.
      I use an app (Android) called Alarm Clock Xtreme. This app allows one in the configuration to select the amount of time that the alarm will sound, until it turns off automatically.

      In this way, one can set alarms of 15 seconds, 30, 12, 3, or whatever you like, and then it automatically turns off.

      I leave you an example of the type of alarm I use, so that you understand.
      An 18 second alarm goes off, and then there are several seconds of silence until a little noise reminds me to check.
      https://www.mediafire.com/file/hv6mz...g/15.flac/file

      If you didn't fall asleep to any of the alarms, it's easy...Grab any audio editing program (Audacity) and add an extra second or two seconds of silence before the beep.
      I leave you a couple more, so that they serve you (and others, in case I did not give myself to understand well).
      https://www.mediafire.com/file/ciylf...7/16.flac/file | https://www.mediafire.com/file/gdw4r...0/18.flac/file | https://www.mediafire.com/file/5ccwz...x/19.flac/file

      Each alarm is a second or two longer than the previous one.
      Open the app, create a new alarm, with the time and day you want it to sound.
      where it says "discarded by" (or something like that) you select to automatically discard after the same amount of seconds as the audio file that I have sent you. If the audio is 30 seconds long, you will put 30 or 31 seconds, if it lasts 32 seconds, 32 or 33, and so on.
      Finally, there is another option that allows you to select music from your device (pass the audios that I sent you to your phone) and place them there.

      Use the preview to see if everything is correct, and ready ... to sleep.

      When the alarm wakes you up (get up or stay in bed, it will go off by itself anyway. I recommend that you get up until the 18 seconds of sound ends, and then go to bed to sleep normally, without distinction as you would any other day ). The fact of getting up makes you remember that you have to practice, and do not continue to sleep continuously, totally unconscious.

      Once you go back to bed (normally, remember that here you do not have to visualize anything strange, or wait for anything to happen. You are trying to sleep) you will hear, at some point, the "beep" of the end of the alarm.
      When that "beep" sounds, you just look in the middle of your brow, with your eyes closed (that's your reality check) and ask yourself if you're asleep.

      The goal is to match the exact moment when you fall asleep, with the exact moment when you are checking if you fell asleep (gently look at the middle of your eyebrows and ask yourself if you are asleep).
      The "beep" of the alarm is a reminder that you have to do this, so that you do not forget it in the tiredness of the night, and that you do not have to waste time counting "one, two three, four, twenty, thirty , I look at my brow and wonder if I fell asleep. " It simplifies the process, it allows you to lie down normally, and just when you hear it, you look at the brow and wonder if you are asleep. That is your reality check, which you want to coincide with the exact moment you fall asleep.

      If you did it correctly and achieve it (that is, you fell asleep at the exact moment you checked if you fell asleep), you will feel something in your body. I guess we are all different.
      Vibrations, a very clear image (everything happens automatically, you don't make the effort to visualize), loud in the ears, dizziness, tachycardia, I don't know, it varies from person to person, I suppose.
      It has given me strong vibrations, and an ultra sharp image.

      If it did not work, you will not have felt anything at all, and you will fall asleep, until the second alarm of the night sounds, a little longer than the previous time.
      If it happens to you that you fell asleep and did not hear the "beep" use the program that I told you and cut fewer seconds.
      Then you put it on the phone, select it in the app, and voila.

      Summary:

      -Use the audios I gave you as an example, and put more seconds in some, and fewer seconds in others.

      -After this, transfer them to the cell phone, place them in the app specified as an alarm and go to sleep.

      -Wake up to 18 seconds of sound (I recommend getting out of bed, but you'll have to see that on your own).

      -When everything is silent, you go back to bed to sleep normally (do not try anything, do not expect anything, do not force anything ... just lie down with total normality, as you would one day when you are not practicing).

      -Finally, when you feel the "beep", observe your brow gently, and wondering if you are asleep.

      -If you feel something of what I mentioned to you (most feel something when entering the dream) just relax and do nothing, in a matter of seconds, you will be inside.
      If you checked and nothing happened, you fall asleep normally and wait for the second alarm, in which you will repeat the process.

      -If you fall asleep very quickly, reduce the waiting time in an editing program, cutting seconds of silence. And if, on the contrary, you fall asleep slowly, put more seconds of silence.

      It is easy. You don't have to do almost anything.
      You get up, go back to bed, and when you hear the beep, you do something as simple and easy as gently looking at your brow with your eyes closed, wondering if you fell asleep (only once).

      If you did it, instant results. If you didn't make it, it's just a matter of waiting for the next one.
      I think you can't do anything easier than this. You don't have to do almost anything, just move your eyes closed xD.

      I hope you understand me better now.
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      Thank you for taking the time to explain this stuff!
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      Thank you for taking the time to explain this stuff!
      Thanks to you, for taking the time to read me
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      Why is the looking at brow a reality check or how does it determine if you are asleep by looking at brow? Do you think this part is important or less so?

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