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Yeah, I had a major head twitch once! It feels weird! My head 'jumped' and moved positions!

It was quite freaky for a new comer like myself! But nevertheless quite amusing

So I sort of inadvertently tried this last night, as I've become really interested in lucid dreams again.
I found a description of a meditation technique and it was basically this, I'll list my experiences:

.I lay down and relaxed my whole body
.I then concentrated on just breathing with my diaphragm and keeping my stomach still
.After a while a wave of heat came over my body and with a tingling sensation
.Other things also happened such as my arms started to feel like they were disappearing, but every time something like this happened I got excited and couldn’t control my breathing and then it would start to fade
.At one point I started focusing on the spots on my eyes, when I did this my head started to feel like it was spinning and vibrating
.I also kept getting twitches throughout my body
.After about half an hour I felt like I should get up, I didn’t know about resisting this, so I did.



Is this sort of common for the first attempt? I'm going to try again tomorow morning when I first wake up from deep sleep.

Very good explanations behind things. I liked that.

But I don't think I have any of those problems. I really don't even know what my god damn problem is.

But this was still interesting, there were things behind those things that I didn't know at first.

I was getting more confidence to do this, and then I read about bloodcurdling screams.
Wtf, no way am I doing something where I might hear people screaming. That would give me nightmares.
Yikes.

Thank you, Jeff!

Two things,

1.
You didn't fully explain your eyes "re-adjusting to light" and I believe you may have the wrong conclusion. That topic covers twitching eyes but the process of switching from Daytime to Nighttime Vision has nothing to do with the twitching of the eyeballs. It deals with the pupils. During the Night your pupils get increasingly larger so that they can let more light in and see more. When you suddenly turn a light on from a dark environment your pupils are large and let all this light into your retina which hurts.
Not sure if you or others knew that but if you didn't than there you go.


2. When I experience the wave of SP, I dont go into SP....The "wave" of SP wakes me up and i snap out of it real quick. I am not afraid of it but its kinda just random and quick and so it wakes me up.

QUESTION! Is it unusual that if I sit in the one spot for any unnecessary amount of time (or lie for that matter) I get ridiculously uncomfortable. Even when just lying down to go to bed, I feel really off, the way my ribs expand and contracts just creeps me out. I try to sit it out but its very frustrating. However, the principle to this is the same as swallowing, the more thought you put into it, the more uncomfortable you get. I usually have to focus heavily on my imagination just so I don't freak out. Even in saying that, its bearable once I don't focus on it, its not like a severe condition or anything.

P.s. I'm confident that this isn't my body testing me. (I feel that later on) This happens all the time :S

I had a WILD once but it didn't involve SP. I tried to WILD like in the tutorials and after an hour or so I gave up. I turned from the back position to my natural side position and tried to take a nap. After a few moments I felt I could move my legs without moving them a very cool feeling. So I started moving them like I'm walking and splash I see myself walking on a sidewalk at night fully conscious of my transition to the dream. The night thing was cool because I went to sleep in the afternoon.

The WILD only worked when I stopped focusing on everything and waiting for something to happen. It only worked when I gave up. And it's much easier to stop focusing on everything when you are in your natural position.

Nice, awesome posts.

My HH are a little creepy, but I like them They never scared me. I usually hear voices and deeper, I can feel like someone speaking into my ear, I even feel it. I can't understand the voices but I'm OK with them. I also feel like micro-dreams... like if I would fall into a dream without dreaming... the images would flash my mind and I would hear noises, but I was certain I was not sleep, they pass and I return to nothingness but only sounds.

I'm going to take your advise about elevating my head with a towel. The swallowing is my biggest problem with Wild.

very usefull, the swallowing is my issue to, after about an hour I can't keep myself from swallowing anymore
but doing it after a few hours of sleep was a total failure for me, since I'm very unclear then and the only thing I can think of is sleep, while the time I go to sleep on days I have to go to school falls perfectly together with my peak in clarity and awakeness(wich makes it takes longer then others to fall in a normal sleep, but wil finally pay off with this I hope)(normally I'm drowsy and unclear in the moring, getting awake in the afternoon, getting clearer in the evening wich begins to really progress after 11 hour, with the peak in clarity from 12-3 or so)

btw, I experienced almost all feelings/sensations you say related to SP and that in only 2 nights(only the music/voices not)

Just to clarify: Jeff stated that you need to sleep beforehand to Lucid Dream; what he meant was, you need to WBTB to have a WILD, but not any other type.

People who are having trouble with swallowing should try putting their tongue against there top teeth. It can be softly. I recently read someone saying they did this to stop swallowing, and I been doing it for two hours straight. I normally swallow a lot, but this doesn't make me swallow!!

Be prepared, as you will drool... A LOT.

I think I may have been close to SP, as my hand started to randomly twitch.

Originally Posted by LePeL

My own problems seam to mainly concern breathing.

For you guys who did this succesfully - do you breathe through your nose or through your mouth?

Anyway, the problem I always have is that when a 'wave' of heavyness occurs I can't seem to breathe. My chest sort of gets pressed down, breathing becomes more shallow until it stops completely - I have to stop to get some air. Any tips on this?

I have the same problem.

Jeff, wtf do YOU know!! I'm gonna do it wheneva wheneva wheneva I want!

Originally Posted by Codename

Jeff, wtf do YOU know!! I'm gonna do it wheneva wheneva wheneva I want!

+2 internets if you get the reference.

The wave is the chemical that creates SP going through your body

Originally Posted by LePeL

My own problems seam to mainly concern breathing.

For you guys who did this succesfully - do you breathe through your nose or through your mouth?

Anyway, the problem I always have is that when a 'wave' of heavyness occurs I can't seem to breathe. My chest sort of gets pressed down, breathing becomes more shallow until it stops completely - I have to stop to get some air. Any tips on this?

Same! It's so weird, and frustrating.

Originally Posted by Ethereal

Just to clarify: Jeff stated that you need to sleep beforehand to Lucid Dream; what he meant was, you need to WBTB to have a WILD, but not any other type.

You dont have to I know many people who have done it without sleep. But it helps so much to a point where its almost nescesary.

Originally Posted by rockinred

Ok so I've been trying for a few nights now to do this and I'm finding it very hard to keep my mind awake. Will it still work if I'm doing something in my head to keep my mind awake? e.g Sing a song in my head.

Every few breaths, scream in your head, "I'm aware! I'm aware! I'm aware! I'm aware!", in order to keep yourself... aware as you go deeper into sleep paralysis. When you feel you have achieved full sleep paralysis, do this only when you feel like you're drifting off.

Hi I'm new to LD but i kinda tried half-heartedly a few months ago. I'm really trying to get committed now, I have a dream Diary and stuff but ive only started trying to LD again in the past week. Anyway i've been trying to use the WILD method as well as the MILD method. Neither has worked for me so far. But i'm mainly concerned about the WILD technique. While doing this i often have the need to swallow, (I read the top post so i no know how to counter that but have not yet put it to the test) but it is not necessarily a urge to swallow. It's not the saliva that is the problem. I just have a very powerful urge to use those muscles in a sort of swallowing action, but never have the need to actually swallow the saliva. It is defiantly a problem because i can put it off for about twenty seconds but the urge becomes so strong... its very hard to stop :/ also I often become close (at least it feels close) to allowing my body to fall asleep (still using WILD) and i feel a "wave" and this wave makes me feel as if im spinning. I try to hold on to it and embrace it, but it only lasts for a matter of seconds and then it just leaves. This feeling can happen up to 15 times and they can be very close together. I never actually drift into a conscious/dreaming state.
Any help with this topic would be greatly appreciated
thank you very much

Thank you so much jeff! I'm hoping ur swallowing Tec. Will help it seems to b this is the only th

Thank you so much jeff! I'm hoping ur swallowing Tec. Will help it seems to b this is the only thing that is holding me back from secsessfull WILD WBTB attempts