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      O.Y.E.-WILD method

      I came up with this ideayesterday while falling asleep and thinking of how to try to WILD.

      So the Idea is to do a WILD, focussing on something and whenever your attention strays from your object/subject of focus, open your eyes briefly. Like maybe 6 seconds or so and close them again. This instantly brings my straying attention back to 1 point so I can close my eyes again and focus on my oject/subject of focus again seemingly without hindering the process of falling asleep at all. Anyway works really great for me.

      O.Y.E. Open Your Eyes.
      I was laying on my back and entering SP. I focused on the feeling of my Cat sleeping on my chest. Then I noticed my thoughts started to wander and my body felt strange sensations. Wandering thoughts lead to falling asleep unconsciously so I decided to open my eyes for a couple of seconds to give my mind some wakefullness. This worked incredibly well cause my attention was immediately focussed again. Closed my eyes again and focussed on the feeling of my Cat sleeping on my chest again. Thoughts wandered again: opened my eyes again for abt. 6 seconds. By this time I was in an onsetting hypnagogic state and I could hardily feel my body, so when I closed my eyes again I decided that I'd have to take my focus away from physical sensations I was not going to feel much longer (My Cat) and focus it on something inside my mind Instead.
      Here's what I did when I reached the vivid Hypnagogic state.


      Additional technique: Using Imagination to (try to) pull myself into a Dream:
      Then I closed them again and focussed on my by now very vivid Hypnagogic imagery. I would imagine seeing leafs and branches in the distance and reaching way over there to grasp them in an attempt to "pull myself into a Dream". I also tried imagining a swiming octopus and grabbing one of it's tentacles and allowing it to drag me deep into the ocean. I allowed it to carry me into a deep, dark ocean. The I remembered a dream of Killerwhales and I imagined a group of killerwhales instead. I grabbed one by it's backfin and it sped into the ocean with it's friends next and around us. I felt the speed. I felt displacement and saw a bright blue ocean and felt the feeling of falling when the whale dived into the deep vertically. I became quite immersed in that imaginairy dream.


      So I didn't stay conscious all the way but DEFENITELY much longer than I usually do. So I'm going to stick with this technique.
      Wanted to share this and I hope it can be of any help to other's out here who seek an alternative approach to WILD.
      If you try this let me know the results.
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      SKA, great post! I'll have to try your O.Y.E. method and your imagination technique my next WILD attempt.

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      Great idea about opening your eyes. I often use reverse blinking, so I think I have an idea of what you are talking about. I can see this working especially well when you are super tired and losing consciousness. I'm going to try this tonight. I haven't even attempted a WILD in over a month

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      Light and Darkness are the switches that toggle your state of consciousness between the Sleeping and the Waking state of consciousness.

      A bit of light would reawaken you somewhat I figured.
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      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Nice idea there, I also use reverse blinking and it works wonders so I can see this helping me keep my focus. I'll give it a try tonight and post results.

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      Great idea, SKA, and nice description! Let us know if you discover anything else!
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      huh i find that i lose focus too i will definitely have to try this thanks!
      my only question is if there is light in the room will it take you out of focus and ruin all of your progress?
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      That seems to be pretty functioning technique. Robot_Butler said this would be especially effective technique, when you are superb tired. Maybe even opening of the eyes would make you even more tired (just remember the reverse blinking technique).

      Please, SKA one potentional disadvantage of technique written after first use would be, you have not covered most of the details. As you will gain more experience, please update this post, so it will reflect your current knowledge.

      Thanx for sharing.


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      Well yeah it is a new, experimental technique. That's why I want more people to try it with me and give feedback on results. This still needs some tweaking.


      Reversed blinking seemed to do SOMETHING right for me too. Never had an LD because of it, but I somehow noticed it made me fall asleep far more consciously and experience dreams thereafter that were much clearer and easier remembered.

      My method however requires you to open your eyes and keep them open for some time. Like 6 - 20 seconds. Something I added up to this yesterday night is a Zypher.
      A friend of mine taught me how to write down my intention and use the letters to create a magical looking symbol. This symbol then contains your intention in a powerfull way.

      I made a Zypher symbol of "Lucidity" which looks really Magical. I'm thinking of putting a big version of it on my ceiling so that when I open my eyes I will see the Lucidity-Zypher, focus on it and be brought back to my Lucid Intention.
      I'll soon post a pic of my "Lucidity" Zypher.

      And, no Lance_r, I don't think a light in your room will hinder. In fact I think it will help.
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      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      Thanks i actually tried this with light coming in from my window and i stared at my ceiling and after about 10 seconds i closed my eyes and i continued focus on my clock sound. My only problem is i cant keep from swallowing when trying to WILD
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      I tried keeping my eyes open on Friday and had an awesome lucid. My girlfriend woke me up an hour or two into sleep by talking on the phone and banging around the house playing with balloons (I know...). I worked out too hard that day, so no relaxation techniques were working. I felt all jittery and all my muscles felt tight. After 30 minutes of lying in bed unable to go back to sleep, I got up and got a drink for a few minutes.

      I did some stretches and went back to bed. I wasn't trying to WILD at all. I really focused on relaxing my feet and shoulders into the mattress. I think I started reverse blinking at one point to clear my thoughts. When I really felt myself start to relax and start to fall asleep, the reverse blinking reminded me of this technique. I felt that falling/ spinning sensation that means sleep is approaching. I opened my eyes and tried to focus on the doorway. The falling sensation disappeared, and I felt like I was fully awake. I rolled over onto my side, and felt myself instantly enter sleep paralysis.

      I had this dream:
      http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...520#post851520

      I think opening my eyes at the last second before sleep really helped launch me into a dream. It was a weird transition. Very abrupt. It felt like the times I have been startled out of sleep paralysis or vibrations. It was easy to return to the place I left off, only this time with a stronger consciousness.

      I'll try this again. New techniques always seem to work for me the first time. Something about placebo and excitement trying something new.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Robot_Butler View Post
      I tried keeping my eyes open on Friday and had an awesome lucid. My girlfriend woke me up an hour or two into sleep by talking on the phone and banging around the house playing with balloons (I know...). I worked out too hard that day, so no relaxation techniques were working. I felt all jittery and all my muscles felt tight. After 30 minutes of lying in bed unable to go back to sleep, I got up and got a drink for a few minutes.

      I did some stretches and went back to bed. I wasn't trying to WILD at all. I really focused on relaxing my feet and shoulders into the mattress. I think I started reverse blinking at one point to clear my thoughts. When I really felt myself start to relax and start to fall asleep, the reverse blinking reminded me of this technique. I felt that falling/ spinning sensation that means sleep is approaching. I opened my eyes and tried to focus on the doorway. The falling sensation disappeared, and I felt like I was fully awake. I rolled over onto my side, and felt myself instantly enter sleep paralysis.

      I had this dream:
      http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...520#post851520

      I think opening my eyes at the last second before sleep really helped launch me into a dream. It was a weird transition. Very abrupt. It felt like the times I have been startled out of sleep paralysis or vibrations. It was easy to return to the place I left off, only this time with a stronger consciousness.

      I'll try this again. New techniques always seem to work for me the first time. Something about placebo and excitement trying something new.

      You got me excited about this. I'll try it tonight
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      Nah, I Defenitely don't think this is placebo. Light tells the brain it's time for wakefullness.
      It works allright.

      Maybe try falling into SP with eyes open? Like BARELY open, but open.

      Well great to actually hear such positive feedback. Anyone else any feedback? I'm gunna try this again tonight. First I'm gunna try to see how far into SP I can progress with my eyes somewhat opened all the time. Then I'm going to try opening my eyes for about 10 - 20 seconds on a moment that I am ALLMOST alseep.

      Allright people, stick with this for once, and give me your feedback. This technique seems very promising. Feel encouraged to try this and KEEP trying this.
      Also feel encouraged to do little variations of this technique and tweak this technique to your own likings and ideas. Come on Dreamers Try out and give me your feedback.
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      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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      I was sooooooo tired yesterday that entering SP with open eyes was allmost impossible as keeping my eyes open was allmost impossible. I did keep them open for some time and even some time into the onset of SP.

      Then I just opened my eyes for abt. 20 seconds every now and then.
      Fell asleep unconscious again, but yet again: Maniacally, unusually vivid Dreams that were unusually well remembered. This technique is a keeper. I'ma stick with this as it will surely bring me to succeed in WILD soon.
      Luminous Spacious Dream Masters That Holographically Communicate
      among other teachers taught me

      not to overestimate the Value of our Concrete Knowledge;"Common sense"/Rationality,
      for doing so would make us Blind for the unimaginable, unparalleled Capacity of and Wisdom contained within our Felt Knowledge;Subconscious Intuition.

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