Controlled Daydreams to an LD?

[Chewnie91]

I am a person that has lots of daydreams when laying down for bed, or even just spacing out in class. For some time now i've been trying to use these to get me into an LD, however, i assume this will only work, or at least best, after a WBTB. Basically by taking a small role in the daydream (as in following it through while still remaining conscious) and then hopefully at one point become entirely consumed in the daydream turning it into a real dream, LD Anyone ever tried this or have any experience or tips?

[panta-rei]

It's a daydream... Do you really forget you are in them? Do you really have no control over them?

[Chewnie91]

I obviously know im in them, and i believe that they can be used to reach a dream. As in they will evolve into a full dream. I incorporate myself into them and follow interactively. But i assume if i were to become lucid in it (which it would at that point be a dream) then i WOULD have control

[panta-rei]

Then may I suggest trying WILDs instead... How can a daydream turn into a regular dream?

[ChaybaChayba]

A daydream is a regular dream. You dream 24/7, only when you sleep the day dreams expand to all senses. When you are awake, the daydreams usually stick to one sense, sound, a verbalization of the dreams which most people would call thinking. You can improve your daydreaming to be as intense as normal dreaming by doing a lot of daydreaming. Thats how Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla did their mental experiments for example. Or how Aldoux Huxley came up with writing themes. This guy uses daydreams to calculate the most complicated mathematics, faster than a calculator: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/a...athemagic.html. A lot of people in history have already shown that dreams can be used for real life too, and that dreaming is apprently the fastest form of thinking and problem solving. Anyway, I've been trying out all techniques for a long time, and day dreaming is the easiest way to go because everyone can already do it so you have somewhere to start from. WILDs are basically the same except they require certain techniques to enter the dream without having any dream skills, while day dreaming to lucid dreaming is completely natural and automatic but takes a little while to build up your dream skill. The only thing you need to do is daydream during the day to improve your dreaming at night. Practice makes perfect.. using this method one day, you will be able to close your eyes wherever you are and dream up whatever you want. Other methods only work at night.

[pond weed]

hello i am trying to achieve a WILD through daydreaming. it is definatly the way for me. i will note one thing though, as i fall asleep it gets very hard to focus, the further i fall into sleep, the harder it gets to focus on one particular topic. i find that when i daydream in boring situations, it is a very loose sort of daydreaming, very random, with no purpose. if you do this when trying a WILD, you will most likely forget you are trying to WILD and get 'swallowed' into your daydreams. instead, try daydreaming with intent. daydream that you are in a place and go exploring, and as you do so, dont just use sight and sound, use other senses: -pain -thermoseption (hot/cold) -touch -sound -smell -taste -many others i cant think of let me know how this goes. i would like to stay in contact with you and anyone else who is trying to use daydreaming / Vild. good luck

[Mariano]

hello! I'm one of those who daydream a lot.... it's hard to daydream with intent when you are falling asleep... but that's what I tried for the last week... I will keep trying and tell you !!

[DarkLucideity]

Try VILD.

[Ryuinfinity]

This is nothing like VILD. In VILD you use your imagination, but here you must use only thought. I think this thread might be onto something. Someone should make an experiment aboub this in the research forum.

[DarkLucideity]

This is nothing like VILD. In VILD you use your imagination, but here you must use only thought. I think this thread might be onto something. Someone should make an experiment aboub this in the research forum. Nothing like VILD? I'm not even going to bother.

[Chewnie91]

The only way this would relate to VILD is in the sense that i create the daydream which i dont. They just pop up randomly. But i think that through practice, ill be able to follow through the daydream while remaining conscious and entering a deeper state of sleep and eventually getting into a full blown dream and become lucid. Because when i daydream im still well aware of whats going on. So this would be an almost perfect technique (however a reality check couldn't hurt as well)

[DarkLucideity]

If you want to be literal about it, they're both WILD techniques. Also, I suggested VILD because even if you don't consciously visualize the daydreams, that's beneficial for VILD (it relies on the subconscious taking over the maintenance of the dream). Might as well use talents if you have them

[pond weed]

in my personal experience i have found that random daydreams dont take me into a LUCID dream. providing you are in REM (ie, morning), normal random daydreaming will probably turn into a regular dream, but you will probably find that you will forget about lucid dreaming as you fall asleep. i find that as i get close to sleep, it gets harder and harder to concentrate, i dont know about the advanced biology of it. but iv tried doing exactly what you describe, i just get lost in all the random daydreams and forget about my goal of lucidity. but when i try focused daydreaming, which is surprisingly hard, i can easily maintain my goal, maintain awareness and convince my body that i have already fallen asleep, so so it goes to sleep quicker quicker. here is an example of focused daydreaming: pick a place which you are familiar with, eg the park, and start wondering around, get an ice cream, talk to people. do lots of normal stuff. try to convince yourself it is the real world. then climb up a climbing frame and jump of, and fly, see everyone reaction as you soar upwards, think how amazing it is that your flying. through out this it should be pretty easy to remember your goal of trying to achieve a lucid dream. also, what you are doing is replicating a dream. a template for which a dream can be placed on. also, because this daydream produces very similar brain waves to a regular dream, the body will be put to sleep a lot quicker. a quick note: when doing focused daydreaming, use all five senses,so when you eat the ice cream, remember what icecream taste like, feel the grass you are walking remember what it feels like, listen to the sound of an airplane passing overhead. doing this will make it easier to focus on the daydream, doing this once in the lucid dream will result in the dream being more vivid. remember this is all based on my personal experiences, everyone is different. let me know how this goes

[Ryuinfinity]

Try playing a looping recording of yourself saying "I will Lucid Dream" well doing daydreaming. Would that work?

[Chewnie91]

Thanks for all the posts guys, im going to try tonight to see what happens. But it is true that it gets harder and harder to remain on the intent of lucid dreaming as you enter a deeper stage of sleep. I think with trial and error and some tweaking ill put together a decent technique that works for me

[lucidreamsavy]

I did this the other night- on accident. I started to think of something random, then I fell asleep and dreamt about what I was thinking. Until something weird happened (which I was thinking about!), I didn't think it was RL or a dream, but my thoughts. I didn't become lucid though.

[Chewnie91]

Well thats a start! I've had some close calls with it. Where i can almost feel myself peeling away from my body into the day dream. And it starts becoming much more real and i feel myself moving in it and what not

[The Cusp]

Daydreams are just a precursor to HI. At some point you lose all control over the day dream and enter the HI stage, which in turn becomes a dream the moment you have a dream body. But it's not always necessary to go through the HI stage. Sometimes you can skip it and go directly into dreaming. When working with daydreams, I find it better to focus on the sky, which remains a constant no matter where you go or what you do. If you focus on things on the ground, there is too much change as you pass things by. Focusing on the sky, which never changes, gives it a better chance develop into a dream.

[ZenVortex]

There's been quite a bit of scientific research showing that some people who have an intense fantasy life -- constantly daydreaming -- spend a lot of time in a waking LD as part of their normal state of consciousness. They actually live in two worlds all the time. For the rest of us, daydreaming seems to be a very promising technique. I tried it a few times in the afternoon when tired and had some HI and fragmented dreamscenes, but not yet a WILD. I am using VILD, visualizating a Dream Room with interesting objects, and combining it with sleep paralysis (keeping the body absolutely still and resisting impulses to move or scratch etc). Any suggestions?

[oniman7]

Try VILD. To expand, i do this sometimes. I did it after the SAT. It started as a daydream, and worked it's way to a non lucid. Well, I was semi lucid, but had very little control.

[Chewnie91]

Iv been having pretty decent success with this. Everynight i do this i get closer and closer. It is hard to keep control but its not impossible. I've been able to get into full dreams, non lucid but last night was semi lucid like the post above

[Tranquil Toad]

Is this not pretty much the same as Malac's Fast Grab? Minus the fast grab that is - but same idea as laying in bead while falling asleep and using your imagination to create a scene until it becomes real enough that you can enter it.

[Conrahsarahteena]

All my life the only way I can fall asleep has been to slowly drift off during a daydream. Controlled daydream into LD is what I've done every night of my life. What I want to know is how do I do anything different. All my dreams, even when I'm in them are from a 3rd person, bird's eye perspective. It's like watching a movie from the view of the camera man. It's very detailed when I want it to be, and seems plenty real. It's just always lucid. I can dream whatever I want whenever I choose. I just don't know how to normal dream because I've never done it. I didn't even know until I watched a show about lucid dreaming on tv when I was about age 12 that the way I dreamed wasn't normal. I know this problem seems backward to everyone, but can anyone tell me how to stop LDing?

[Banana]

i think i just omg'd in my pants at the above post your fucking LUCKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lucky bastard. you should be exhilerated that you LD every night. im going to be all pissed now. i can not state in words how fucking lucky you are. *ASD*G*ADFFB(ZD*GAD*G*A*DG*A*SD not even that can express how lucky you are. you are going to have a very good life with lots of stories. luckyass.

[Mystery55]

i daydream to help go to sleep and often what i was daydreaming about is in my dream, but a sort of meditation technic i used when i was young was to imagine all black, slow picture a TV like screen appear, thus sort of use the TV screen to daydream, this may sound stupid but this made my day dreams have better quality almost the same a R/L . but it was nothing like dreaming, no senses really but more of me watching a movie in my head. -shrugs-