Thread: Stop Drop and Roll. Why Lucidology and Nicholas Newport are creating misinformation.

While his "science" is off key, the method still works. He does use some common terms such as 'WILD' and his videos are neat, organized, and visual, which can be helpful for someone who does not benefit from our tutorials which are mostly just text.

Take Jeff777's tutorial for instance. It basically teaches the same technique, but is purely text. The videos have graphs and diagrams that allow LDers to visualize what he's saying.

I've had success with it and so have others. With new LDers, writing up a tutorial that says something simple like 'When you WILD, don't move much', they always have a lot of questions afterwards. Newport's videos are in depth and captivating.

I agree with everything you said about his flawed science, but if the method works, let people enjoy the videos.

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

While his "science" is off key, the method still works. He does use some common terms such as 'WILD' and his videos are neat, organized, and visual, which can be helpful for someone who does not benefit from our tutorials which are mostly just text.

Take Jeff777's tutorial for instance. It basically teaches the same technique, but is purely text. The videos have graphs and diagrams that allow LDers to visualize what he's saying.

At least the text here is by people who are accountable to the community.
If something is wrong, or incorrect, people can come and share their information. No one here is trying to set themselves up as an expert, or trying to sell a course, like newport is.
As for his graphs... have you taken time to pause the videos and really look at them? they are meaningless, seriously, im not being silly, they are actually just random lines, with random made up terms. They tell you nothing. They serve only one purpose... to make him LOOK like he knows what he is talking about.

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I've had success with it and so have others. With new LDers, writing up a tutorial that says something simple like 'When you WILD, don't move much', they always have a lot of questions afterwards. Newport's videos are in depth and captivating.

They are certainly not indepth, in fact they are quite the opposite, they are taking a simple idea, then streching it out over 10 minutes, and making claims that are simply false. Sorry i really can't agree with you on this.
Captivating? only in the same way that an infomercial is captivating.

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

I agree with everything you said about his flawed science, but if the method works, let people enjoy the videos.

Because he is misinforming people, in order to eventually get them to buy his course.
I appreciate you are trying to be nice about it, but yes maybe small parts of what he says have some truth in them... but does that excuse all the false, untrue information?

I would prefer that the subject I love be taught by intelligent, caring people who genuinelly want to share information. Not just cash in.

I just watched his videos the other day. They are terrible. As I said in the other thread, I keep waiting for him to throw in a free Shamwow. In general, I hate to criticize anything that encourages people to lucid dream. His advice, however, is terrible. I agree with you 100% Spaceexplorer.

The only thing that I really used from Nick Newport is his lucid timers which mostly work for me. I will agree with you however, that he does seem to project himself as an "expert". Although, I follow some of his advice, I'd never buy the lucidology 102 package, and part of the reason why is how he's always trying to sell it off at the end of each of his videos.

Ya, I use his flash timer thing to do some EILDing =P

That's about all I really get out of this guy.

Originally Posted by Sentaku

Ya, I use his flash timer thing to do some EILDing =P

That's about all I really get out of this guy.

I don't know why but i can't watch these videos at all...

They feel so...so...pseudo-real...

Originally Posted by obama6493

I don't know why but i can't watch these videos at all...

They feel so...so...pseudo-real...

Hi obama649;1608816, Jeff777 and WLLPEREGOY.

Originally Posted by obama6493

I don't know why but i can't watch these videos at all...

They feel so...so...pseudo-real...

(Thanking for this post: Jeff777 and WLLPEREGOY).

Soon after I joined Saltcube back in 2008 and got Lucidilogy 101, Nick asked for my opinion of his Lucidilogy 101.

I was angry and rude.

I told him he was ugly and that I got so depressed and angry with the download that I told "it" to shut-up cos I couldn't keep up.

Nick thanked and rewarded me for my feed back.

Anyway

Yesterday, W, when your post interrupted my year 12, philosophy and psychology homework time, I got out my Lucidilogy 102 printouts, cos, I wanted to see for myself if Nick really did not give acknowledgments to those who inspired his work.

I haven't looked at the printouts in yonks.

Now, I remember that I was having success, when I first got 102. I wasn't getting much out of the videos cos I still felt that I couldn't keep up. Just like I couldn't keep up with the 101 video's.

But

I would toddler down to Maccas for breaky. I would sit out in the courtyard and read a part of the printouts and follow the instructions.

And they happened (!!!)

You see, I get easily overwhelmed when a "teacher" is talking-at-me, (even at my evening-classes where I do year 12 psychology and philosophy). But if I can just have a print-out of the lesson and get away by myself, alone, ... well ... everything starts to make sense.

Nick's 102 is in 9 parts (in 9 video downloads). Each video down-load has a full transcript, (pdf).

Only yesterday, WLLPEREGOY, did the penny drop.

I can now see why there is sooo many annoying and confusing illustrations and graphs flashing by in the vids. The vids are based on his print-outs, (not the other way round).

I like the printouts, they work for me.

The printouts read like a picture-book. There is a picture in the top half of each page and some written explanation in the second half of the page.

And there is only one illustration per page.

Infact ...

I remember now ...

After working with the printouts, I either posted on saltcube or private emailed Nick about how I liked his PDF layout cos I could slowdown, relax, and absorb just one page at a time.

Then, close my eyes, and follow the instructions from just that one page.

While sitting at MacDonalds, having breakfast.

Originally Posted by Anonymoose

While his "science" is off key, the method still works. He does use some common terms such as 'WILD' and his videos are neat, organized, and visual, which can be helpful for someone who does not benefit from our tutorials which are mostly just text.

Take Jeff777's tutorial for instance. It basically teaches the same technique, but is purely text. The videos have graphs and diagrams that allow LDers to visualize what he's saying.

I've had success with it and so have others. With new LDers, writing up a tutorial that says something simple like 'When you WILD, don't move much', they always have a lot of questions afterwards. Newport's videos are in depth and captivating.

I agree with everything you said about his flawed science, but if the method works, let people enjoy the videos.

are you trying to say jeff's wall of text isn't in depth?

>_> Nicholas is dumb imo.