Thread: How does shared dreaming work?

ok i will

I think that shared dreaming is a very possible thing to do. I have been reading alot of Nomads stuff lately and its simply amazing. I have also been checking out other sources and find that it is highly possible. As of right now I have had no shared dream that I can recall. I did however try and induse a shared dream last night but had little success on my end as I was slipping between reality and dreaming life. I wasnt fully asleep but i wasnt fully awake I could see my dream but i couldnt get the dream to take place. I am trying an experiemnt soon with 2 friends we are working on reading each others DJ's so we can pick up on each others dreams and dream signs. After that we will all get together and talk about different dream stuff and fall asleep. We have all spoken of a place that we can meet each other at and seems to be a common area for all of us. In the coming weeks / months I will try and make posts and I'm sure they will as well about our progress and steps we are taking to induce SD

I had a thought just a few minutes ago but what do you guys believe would happen if you were speaking to your DG and an SD started? Would the new dreamer be able to understand your DG or do you think it would be a different language to them?

Takeosi,

You are new here and seem to be afraid of what you are reading. If its not for you, then just go somewhere else. You do not have to spread fear here.

It is true that some mental disorders like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are seen to be a confusion in which the person cannot separate the dream perceptions and waking perceptions. This condition is usually precipitated by heavy drug use in which the basic healthy body chemistry is disrupted. These conditions happen as much in the dream-unaware population as the active dreamer population. There are almost always underlying conditions that make one susceptable to these experiences.

Exploration of one's dream life is a healthy activity and is usually only discouraged by those of a fearful fundamentalist persuation.

JJ

Originally Posted by Takeosi

Be careful people, its rather easy to confuse yourself between reality and dreams. I know a man who drove himself crazy. He was so addicted to lucid dreaming that he eventually couldnt distinguish between tge real world and the dream world... He has told me some awesome stories though, about his adventures. Really fascinating stories.

I think it's much easier to have a shared dream in your own domains. Your domains for part of you, so you could sense anyone coming in or create a place where your visitor could go. I think that sharing a dream would be something like syncing together and letting your energies influence each other. I've had two shared dreams, one where I invited Raven Knight to my dreams and in another I was playing a violin in a concert on the moon =)!

Does Raven knight still Roam the dream worlds of forums? If so I'd love to chat with her to get some views.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

It works like meeting people in waking life, except, you have to travel through wormholes.

Can you please explain more about wormholes??? I have never heard of that subject, but it could explain some travels I do while LDing or OBE. How do they feel like?? Maybe it's the same I've experienced.

If I imagine an apple, where is the apple I am imagining? Though my mind may have some basis in my brain, I think the apple in my mind is nowhere, it is in a virtual space.

We model the physical world to ourselves by making images of it in our virtual space. We make images of what we intend to do, and what we expect to happen.

When the collective mind makes images of what it intends to do, and what it expects to happen, where are these images? Presumably there is some kind of physical or astral basis for the collective mind, but we experience those thoughts I don't think we are aware of that basis, we are aware of the virtual space in the collective imagination. And if we think about more abstract things, like desire or motive, we can be partially aware of those 'spaces', how the collective mind represents those things to itself. It seems 'real' because of the substantial strength of the collective mind, not because it is in a higher world or plane that the physical world is nested in. So, for instance, I hypothesize that when I have a premonition, I'm seeing what fate intends and expects, I'm not seeing the physical future of any 'timeline'. This is shown in part by the fact that things that people see in this way are often objectively impossible in any plausible timeline, though this isn't always obvious to the person who has the vision, because of gaps in their understanding of the world.

Shared dreams would similarly be in this collective virtual world, not in a spiritual realm that contains the physical world.

Separately....

As with vibrations, dimensions, etc., I think that wormholes are a concept from physics that has been distorted by entertainment media then applied to an experience that is really not very much like a topological wormhole. Personally I find the word misleading enough that I'd never use it, but I guess for other people it's better than no word at all. A wormhole is a physical shortcut in space, like folding space. This is very different from stretching or separating 'astral' space so that a single part of it connects to two different parts of physical space. In this case physical space itself is not physically connected, which would have physically catastrophic effects, Hollywood scripts notwithstanding. It's simple, on the other hand, to bridge the gap astrally, since that's an imaginative space and we can do anything we want with it. Though the nature of its impact on physical space remains remarkable and mysterious to us of course.

I guess it sounds like I'm splitting hairs to someone with a different background than mine, even though the distinction is huge to me. So carry on with the wormhole talk.

Originally Posted by GenFalcon

I had a thought just a few minutes ago but what do you guys believe would happen if you were speaking to your DG and an SD started? Would the new dreamer be able to understand your DG or do you think it would be a different language to them?

The new dreamer could probably understand your DG.

Originally Posted by GenFalcon

Does Raven knight still Roam the dream worlds of forums? If so I'd love to chat with her to get some views.

She got annoyed with the drama and personal insults many people hurl/have hurled at us for our beliefs. You should try send her a PM.

Originally Posted by kilham

Can you please explain more about wormholes??? I have never heard of that subject, but it could explain some travels I do while LDing or OBE. How do they feel like?? Maybe it's the same I've experienced.

My personal view of a wormhole is the center of a torus, a place between worlds, what we slip through when we go through a portal.
I quote myself: (this is an excerpt from the thread linked below.)

The War of the Wyrms

Wormholes are ways between dream worlds, and ways to warp. Whee! The wormholes are guarded by the Wormhole Wyrms. Nevergawn wanted to take control of the wormholes. He can't kill the wyrms, for they are immortal, so instead, he ripped their dream bodies apart, and sliced them into pieces. Many of the wormholes exiting Urth have a wormhole with a wyrm that needs healing. Piece the dragon back together, and he will cleanse the wormhole, and guard it from astral parasites.

And this is why it's hard to go to the Moon.

People don't often perceive wormholes, just as you do not perceive yourself blinking. Every time you leave one dream world and go to another, you go through a wormhole.

http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...eam-plane.html

Im going to find this Nevergawn fello and destroy him! He shall never dream again!!! or maybe he will... we shall see

So I've been trying to pay attention to 'astral' stuff for the last couple of weeks....

In waking life, there is the way that things appear, and there's also what those appearances mean to us. People think in terms of the appearances, but below the surface its really the interpretations that motivate us. And there are multiple depths of memories. There are the pictures, but there are also the meanings that we remember.

In an 'astral' experience, so far as I can tell, the images are generated from the meanings. A smile means something to me, and I generate the appearance of someone smiling from that thought. If I'm 'seeing' anything astrally, I'm doing that subconsciously. The experience seems to originate in the thought, not in an inner or exotic sensate input. But since there's still a connection between the thought and objective waking life experience, I'm not sure what that implies. In other words, I'm restating in another way that there is some kind of 'karma', and this is the same way that astral experience works. But we still don't know how karma works. Shared dreaming would be an aspect of the same kind of thing.

These aren't 'strong' astral experiences I've had lately, but I think its probably the same, even though I'm less wide awake and lucid than I have been in the past. In the 'weak' dream experience my senses are mostly sleeping, or seeing blackness, and my mind's eye takes them over a little bit. In the 'strong' experience, the senses are wide awake, so to speak, but not receiving information, and my mind's eye is driving them full-on. It seems like the two experiences are essentially the same except for that difference.

My point is that I think that the 'meanings' we associate with things should be what we look into more as we try to understand this, that its in the right direction. I had a much better word for this, that came to me in a dream, but it was some kind of psychological jargon, not a word I know in waking life, and I've forgotten it. The meaning is almost like an archetype, but it doesn't have to be as grand and semi-universal. Ever notice how places like expensive hotels put books on shelves to add an air of sophistication, but if you look closer the actual titles are mostly arbitrary? Those books are mostly interchangeable, they represent something. Even when people read real books, to some extent they're doing it because the book represents something, for instance they feel good to be a person who values books. As long as the book is sophisticated enough to plausibly support that experience of being a 'reader of books', if that's the person's motive, it almost doesn't matter what it says. This 'what the book represents' is like the kind of thing I'm trying to get at, which I don't have a word for. Subconsciously we think largely in terms of those deeper meanings. I think if we want to understand our subconscious minds, which is where all this exotic astral, telepathy, and precognition stuff comes from, it will help to get better at thinking about these more abstract types, since this is closer to the part of the mind that can do the paranormal stuff.

For whatever that's worth.

To be fair I think what your long bit was about is more less just analyzing your dream which there is a cite called dreammood or something which you can analyze your dreams and see the meannig behind different objects which are basicly all spot on as ive done it for 3 years now.

You are right that dream analysis depends on these abstract types I'm talking about, and that its a good way to exercise that kind of thinking. But on dreammoods, or on dreamviews/dream-interpretation, nobody ever tries to deal with the abstract types directly. The best interpreters consider one concrete form, the dream metaphor, and use their vague awareness of the abstract type to translate it into another concrete form which seems more understandably relevant to waking life. For the most part they don't try to describe the abstract type itself. Athanor comes the closest to dealing directly with the abstract types, for example in relation to masculine and feminine principles. But his challenge is to translate that into specific examples which people will understand.

Nobody who posts on dreammoods tries to understand how dreams work either, they're concerned with the content of specific dreams. And a few people are interested in prophesying, but not interested in understanding the limits of prophesying. Try to start a conversation about how supernatural dream stuff works, and nobody will respond. On dreamviews people try to understand how supernatural stuff works, and are willing to argue about it, though I can't say we have much in the way of answers. Its a hard subject I guess.

That is the problem in itself is that we cannot prove any of this really Its just all ideas and cocnepts in our heads that we try and make sense of But the fact is it is possible that is to advanced for most waking minds

I have had shared dreams with only a few individuals... I feel like the people have to have a connection.

I don't think it's really possible. However I never really tried it