Thread: God - Connected to the "dream realm"?

Hi Kensei.

Well I never said that the BAT was a sign from God. Did I? I just thought that the timing of it was odd. I just met God, and he's only given me one sign so far, but it was one HELL of a big one. In my mind what he did for me was nothing less than miraculous. Like you I dare not tell many people about it because they would probably think I made it up. In this forum, however....I don't give a rat's behind what anyone here thinks about me because I have anonymity. What I say and think here has no consequence in my life, other than the enjoyment of hearing from other people. I am very social and enjoy listening and being listened to.

I also tend to agree with you (at least logically) that we should not abuse the gift. I too believe that this is a gift given to me. The timing of it coincides with the miracle that happened in my life, so naturally I tie the two events together. Literally the same day. This is why I was questioning whether the dreams are perhaps a "measure" of our character, where we are presented with the opportunity to act out our "darker side" with no consequences. Do we do it, or do we (as you say) treat the dream characters with respect, and be consistent in our souls? Hmmm.....Maybe this is too deep of a topic, but I don't care. I have always been an atheist, but now I proudly tell people that I believe in God, and I'm not ashamed of it. You've been conditioned in the schools to think that people who believe in God are stupid. That's not true. Everyone needs something to believe in. I found a God who believes in ME, which I most certainly was not looking for. So, I believe in him. Don't let teen self consciousness deter you from proudly talking about whatever you believe in. That's harmful and will only mislead people who "think" they know you. How's that for a sermon?

if your christian then why even lucid dream? it goes against your beilefs that you cant be "god", right ? in a lucid dream you do things that aren't even possible for humans to really do, so in the dream you fly (godly) you create (godly) you use telekinesis (again godly). or do you not do these things in your lucid dreams to keep yourself from being "god". you might not think of it as being "god".... but there is no way getting around it, in your dreams you ARE "god".

Its nice to have an interesting conversation every now and then - it breaks up the monotony of daily chit-chat for one thing! I agree that the timing is indeed strange, and perhaps it is a sign from god. Perhaps lucid dreams are gods way of testing our conscience when we have true power over everything. But whatever the case may be, thank you for the 'sermon'.

wouldn't a true god want to let you succeed always instead of give you tests and see if you fail? it doesn't make ANY sense that god would give you power and if you used it... you'd go to hell. how ignorant.

Proxide.....I love to debate and discuss....but rule one is that you must not make claims for me that I don't make. I NEVER EVER said I was a Christian. I said that I believe in GOD, that's all. My views on Christ are something different entirely. So please do not lump me in with all Christians, because I think most Christians would not call me that.

Let's see...Your other point was cool. But, I don't think there's anything wrong with pretending that you're God in a dream. No conflicts there. At this point I'm still figuring all of this out and formulating my own opinions, and observing what YOU PEOPLE believe. I've learned a lot by coming here. I thank you for that!

I have no problem with your analogy of being God in a dream....and I doubt that God would have any objections with it either.

i never said you were christian. i meant you as a general you. any christain. sorry for the missunderstanding.

Well I'm a Christian so of course I believe in God. I think you can do anything in your dreams and it isn't a "sin". As long as you don't actually do it or anything.

then you believe that hurting a dc is ok. cool but kensei is aslo christian and believes the opposite you do. so whats this mean?

Kensei - I tend to sound preechy in text, because text can be deceiving, and sarcasm is difficult, yes? Glad you liked what I wrote.
I like having real conversations too.....I like to think and try to derive some meaning from things I see and hear. So far most of the people here seem quite nice and like they want to help me understand what's been happening. I really appreciate that.

Not sure the bat was a sign from anything except a mosquito that the bat was chasing down our bathroom vent! Still it's fun to contemplate.

Originally Posted by proxide

then you believe that hurting a dc is ok. cool but kensei is aslo christian and believes the opposite you do. so whats this mean?

It means we believe different things, that's alright. Something that might not bother me could bother someone else.

It means that there are as many definitions of "Christian" as there are people who are Christian.
All we can do is search for commonalities. So far there are not many.

Proxide, perhaps we are not communicating well...and should start over. In one post you're calling me ignorant, and in the next you're apologizing for the misunderstanding. Either way I'm enjoying talking to you, but I could do without the name calling. I'm kinda too old for that shit.

torraitte, i'm not calling you ignorant. that entire post was not even about you bro. i like you, your awesome. i was talking mostly about kensei. read his/her text on pg 1. that is what i was refeing to.

Proxide.....That's fine. I was thinking it was a miscommunication too...because you seem too smart for that.

Sorry for smacking you down! HAHA....

I removed the "smackdown"....oh well.....

and yes i realize we can all believe in different things, but if one christian say its ok to do as you please in dreams and anothers says its not... then who is the sinner in your religon. one of you will say niether and the other would say that the person who does as they please in dreams is the sinner. so are you both christian or is one of you a slightly different religion?

hey don't worry about it. it happens sometimes.

Thanks man. Um....about the Christian thing....well you could take it a few steps further. What if all the Christians have it right, and in order to be "saved" you gotta let Christ into your life and accept him as your savior. Ok...fine....that pretty much means that all the other religions have it wrong...and are ...gulp...doomed to eternal torment?

I'd like to believe that the God that I've encountered is above that.....I tend to think that whatever force is out there is probably incomprehensible to man....just as infra-red light is not visible to us. If that makes any sense. What I'm saying is that just because we can't understand it, doesn't make it horseshit. We're probably as small to other beings as a termite is. They could be so far advanced that we can't even comprehend them. Who the heck knows? We all believe what we believe, and that's cool. I just enjoy talking about this stuff.....and hearing different points of view. It's all good.

i agree! for all i know time is god because it is a force that lets us exist. i don't pretend to know everything about god like most religions do. because in all reality NOBODY know ANYTHING about god. god to me is just a force that lets things happen. and that to me is enough, because i like it when things happen. if nothing happens... then there is nothing at all. and it's probably a lot bigger than that.

Ok, well, I only skimmed through this whole thread, but I read the initial few posts thoroughly, and I think, Torriatte, that you have brought up a very interesting thing, and something I have thought about a lot myself. My conclusions really aren't complicated, either.

First: it's what's in the mind/heart that counts. Raping a person in real life and raping a person in a dream have the same thought processes, the same motivations, and the same attitudes. Therefore, the actual sin of rape comes when the initial desire/temptation is given into, because at that point you have chosen to do something immoral. You can commit yourself to immorality while awake or in dreams, but it's still immorality. And don't think your dream actions have no bearing on real life, either...what you do in dreams--especially lucid dreams--is going to change how you go at real life.

Second: God won't force anyone to not do something wrong, but He'll send little 'wake up' signals (no pun intended) because He cares about people and doesn't delight in watching them do immoral things. I think He especially does things like this for people that believe in God. So even though you probably could have forced yourself back into the dream and persisted and raped someone in a lucid dream, God gave you a second chance at avoiding immorality. But it was still your choice. And I think it's obvious which choice was right and which was wrong. It isn't that God is powerless to make you do something, but He doesn't force anything so that people can choose Him (as opposed to people just being like robots...that would stink)

Third: God's not your lucid-dreaming enemy (i.e. anti-lucid dreams). 'Nuff said.

Hopefully that's the kind of positive and discussion-oriented answer you were looking for

I've never heard it put any better than that. Good job. It's just a shame that we've been taught that if you believe in "god" that you're a feeble minded idiot. You can thank your teachers for that one.

live in the dream, then thinking bad thoughts are immoral too? because thinking and lucid dreaming are so closely related i'd almost call them the same thing.

LiveintheDream. Yes....this is pretty much what I was hoping to find in this forum. Between discovering God and the Lucid Dreams...my life has changed immeasurably. My wife tells me that I'm not even the same person.....like I've evolved into something better...happier..... It's pretty incredible, and I am surprised that when I try to discuss this with people they look at me like I said "I JUST SAW A UFO!!" Their loss

yeah a lot of people will react like that to lucid dreaming. i don't quite know why. it's a proven thing and people are like wtf are you talking about? some magical dream land? it's too bad that people react this way. if we could get more people turned on to the idea, we'd have more research into the dreaming field and more people would be able to lucid dream easier. i feel like it is a big stress reliever when you can control your dreams, you have nothing to worry about and can do anything you want!

How true....my goal in lucid dreaming is to have a dream where I'm the smartest and best looking poster in the forum and I .....oh crap wait....I can't see my fingers..... I'll get back to you!

haha, thats funny.
so tell me torriatte, can you lucid dream often?