Thread: How do you AP out of an LD?

Recent Dead. These people usually are still holding on to their past life in many ways. They may seem sick, or trying to do something but never having it work, or seem lost or to have amnesia. You can get their attention pretty easily but are usually hostile or uncooperative.

Sometimes people inbetween lives do not realize that they are dead. And for some other souls it may take them awhile before they realize they are dead. Some people stay on the astral plane because they are attached to something physical and can't move on. The people that don't realize they are dead are normally forced to incarnate by the earth. Most people plan out things that will happen in their next lifetime before they incarnate. Some people don't realize they can do this and others don't really care and would rather just do cool dream stuff. Most people who are concious that they are dead can leave the earth dream and go somewhere else if they want to, like another plane of existence or another dream body of a planet or create their own dream world ect.

recently I have been meeting alot of entities on the dream plane. You could call these inorganic beings. Anything that does not incarnate into the physical plane can be classfied as an inorganic being. Many of them exist in their own dream worlds or different dimensions beyond the dream plane. Many of these are unaccessable or they won't let you in without permission. I have met people and lovers from other lifetimes who are not on the physical plane right now. I see random dreamers in my dreams all the time. Often I get thrown in dreams with other people I know in waking life. I also help out other enetiies and souls alot.

Anyways we are enternal souls visiting the physical plane. Some of us got so wrapped up in it we can't even figure out we're dead after our bodies die on the physical plane. We all come here for different reasons or maybe no reason. Why did you come here?

Why did I come here? Well it wouldn't be fun if I knew that. It wouldn't be for anyone. The whole reason we incarnate and live life on this pain-ridden plant is to learn something. If we know what we were going to learn, then there isn't really a point. There is a reason why we don't naturally have memories of our spiritual lives. It's to immerse us in this life. If you are watching a movie, isn't it more enjoying to kinda let your mind go blank and just go with the movie instead of consantely going somewhere when the movie is playing to do something else? Bad example but you know what I mean.

Well basically we relearn what we already know. Wow I just got deja vu..... I know why I came here, It doesn't really make it less fun or more fun, it just makes it less confusing and easier to stay focused.
This whole spiritual evolution is a cycle. And we start the cycle over eventually when we feel like it. Why? For fun thats why. That is why I originally came to earth to incarnate. I had reached the peak of my spiritual evolution as a highly evolved being on another planet and I decided I would start it over on earth.
The levels of spiritual evolution are:
1. physical
2. Mind
3. Inner silence
4. emotions
5. intent
6. seeing energy
7. realization of the source of all
and once you get to seven you are only half way there. And its not really a straight shot, its more of a fuzzy progression going back and forth, but mainly staying on one.

But there are many other reasons to come to earth other than spiritual evolution. Honestly I don't really care that much. I came for a different reason.
Many souls actually incarnate just for fun. some incarnate to be with other souls they have a strong connection to. Some are looking for something or someone who they haven't found yet.
Some come to help other souls on earth. Right now is a time of great change and evolution. Many souls from other planets have recently started incarnating on earth to help other souls here when this large shift happens. Some come as guides. Some come to suffer so they have a negative to compare to a positive. Athough that doesn't mean negative cannot be experienced on other planes of existence.

Originally Posted by saltyseedog

Well basically we relearn what we already know. Wow I just got deja vu..... I know why I came here, It doesn't really make it less fun or more fun, it just makes it less confusing and easier to stay focused.
This whole spiritual evolution is a cycle. And we start the cycle over eventually when we feel like it. Why? For fun thats why. That is why I originally came to earth to incarnate. I had reached the peak of my spiritual evolution as a highly evolved being on another planet and I decided I would start it over on earth.
The levels of spiritual evolution are:
1. physical
2. Mind
3. Inner silence
4. emotions
5. intent
6. seeing energy
7. realization of the source of all
and once you get to seven you are only half way there. And its not really a straight shot, its more of a fuzzy progression going back and forth, but mainly staying on one.

But there are many other reasons to come to earth other than spiritual evolution. Honestly I don't really care that much. I came for a different reason.
Many souls actually incarnate just for fun. some incarnate to be with other souls they have a strong connection to. Some are looking for something or someone who they haven't found yet.
Some come to help other souls on earth. Right now is a time of great change and evolution. Many souls from other planets have recently started incarnating on earth to help other souls here when this large shift happens. Some come as guides. Some come to suffer so they have a negative to compare to a positive. Athough that doesn't mean negative cannot be experienced on other planes of existence.

There are probably other planets to incarnate on that are worse then Earth, but why my higher self pick Earth....well idk and it certainly isnt a joy ride if spirits incarnate here for fun. I would have rather picked a planet that has already gone through a great shift, it would be a hella lot more fun, peaceful, and enlightening. I am an indigo and I know I have something to do with they shift, but after the shift occurs i want out haha

Originally Posted by Suicideking

There are probably other planets to incarnate on that are worse then Earth, but why my higher self pick Earth....well idk and it certainly isnt a joy ride if spirits incarnate here for fun. I would have rather picked a planet that has already gone through a great shift, it would be a hella lot more fun, peaceful, and enlightening. I am an indigo and I know I have something to do with they shift, but after the shift occurs i want out haha

What do you mean by shift; your's, the earth's?

Have to agree about living for fun. Earth is not a fun-house. Sure there are glorious moments and remarkable lives but this is not an amusement planet. I see it as a great school. In school all the hard stuff that you hate is why you are there, lunch time and recess is not. If you are here you are here to learn hard lessons, some can only be learned the hard way. This is like a pretty tough university calling on your every past lesson to date to get you through and if you fail you'll have to retake that lesson here or elsewhere. I'm sure it is no where near the toughest school in the universe but not at all an easy school either. I would say that most here are over achievers that try to squeeze in a ton of lessons into one life. It seems pretty common that people squeeze too many lessons into their lives and become overwhelmed, happens all the time. Still you can replay this great video game of a reality until you win. Of course each incarnation does not see the bigger picture and can long for an easier time of it but your higher plan (higher self?) can see the whole thing and has different plans. Trust in your higher plan, you made it.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

^that's on lower astral planes.

On higher astral planes you will feel even lighter and may not even have a body...and just float through various places. You will usually be taken to different places by spirit guides. If you pass from a higher plane to an even higher one, you will definitely need the aid of some sort of being, you can't pass through the barriers alone. (According to someone I trust very much, the barriers test your heart). You will be completely filled with light and love...bright white light, like nothing you've ever imagined. You will know that you have just been someplace...else. Not of this world. Not of any dream. You can visit the akashic records as well if you're lucky. When you wake up, you will have a high that will last for days, maybe even weeks. They are definitely the most spiritual experiences I have ever had. I highly recommend anyone trying to reach the higher astral planes through meditation in a lucid dream. Roaming around the lower earthly plane has done absolutely nothing for me, and it was never a wonderful or spiritually enlightening experience. Aim higher.

Sounds fun, thanks.

Originally Posted by Caden

What do you mean by shift; your's, the earth's?

Have to agree about living for fun. Earth is not a fun-house. Sure there are glorious moments and remarkable lives but this is not an amusement planet. I see it as a great school. In school all the hard stuff that you hate is why you are there, lunch time and recess is not. If you are here you are here to learn hard lessons, some can only be learned the hard way. This is like a pretty tough university calling on your every past lesson to date to get you through and if you fail you'll have to retake that lesson here or elsewhere. I'm sure it is no where near the toughest school in the universe but not at all an easy school either. I would say that most here are over achievers that try to squeeze in a ton of lessons into one life. It seems pretty common that people squeeze too many lessons into their lives and become overwhelmed, happens all the time. Still you can replay this great video game of a reality until you win. Of course each incarnation does not see the bigger picture and can long for an easier time of it but your higher plan (higher self?) can see the whole thing and has different plans. Trust in your higher plan, you made it.

Its kinda hard to describe the Earth's shift or personal shifts or anything of the sort, but i relate it to an enlightenment of sorts, and we as humans will finally connect to the universe and see that we are all apart of one singular reality to learn and evolve. Just as a fish can not see the water it swims in, we can not see the energy that connects us all. Depending on who you are and what your stance is in this life, you will make your own definition of the shift and others will have theirs. I am not great at meditation but those who are supposedly hit a block when thinking of the shift. Some say it will happen on 2012, others say around that time. If you look at the world now, it is clear that humans are revolutionizing to a certain point, with instant communication and the flow of ideas at a faster rate then ever before an enlightenment is bound to happen sometime.

We need to open our third eyes. Its like we filter our experience through our judgments and expectations. I donţ know if Im saying that right.... whatever

Originally Posted by Aquanina

^that's on lower astral planes.

On higher astral planes you will feel even lighter and may not even have a body...and just float through various places. You will usually be taken to different places by spirit guides. If you pass from a higher plane to an even higher one, you will definitely need the aid of some sort of being, you can't pass through the barriers alone. (According to someone I trust very much, the barriers test your heart). You will be completely filled with light and love...bright white light, like nothing you've ever imagined. You will know that you have just been someplace...else. Not of this world. Not of any dream. You can visit the akashic records as well if you're lucky. When you wake up, you will have a high that will last for days, maybe even weeks. They are definitely the most spiritual experiences I have ever had. I highly recommend anyone trying to reach the higher astral planes through meditation in a lucid dream. Roaming around the lower earthly plane has done absolutely nothing for me, and it was never a wonderful or spiritually enlightening experience. Aim higher.

Wow. Just wow. That is very inspiring and just jaw-dropping. Why isnt everyone in America trying this right now? How can they find this uninteresting?!

Originally Posted by Codename

Wow. Just wow. That is very inspiring and just jaw-dropping. Why isnt everyone in America trying this right now? How can they find this uninteresting?!

I'm glad to have inspired you. My guess is...they probably just don't know about it. I had been lucid dreaming for a few years before I found out about this from a friend. But before that I had never heard about it or had similar experiences in my years of LDing. Actually it took another person, someone from this forum, who reminded me of what my friend had told me and confirmed the information before I decided to try it out for myself.

Open a portal to the astral plane.

A lot of times when people are on the astral plane, they think it's the dream plane. The astral plane looks a lot like waking life. You feel almost the same, but you look like a ghost and cannot affect the physical, or barely.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

but you look like a ghost and cannot affect the physical, or barely.

Now this is something that I would love to eventually be able to do scientific research on.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Now this is something that I would love to eventually be able to do scientific research on.

Research at The Monroe Institute
They have been involved in this type of research for decades.

Originally Posted by Caden

Research at The Monroe Institute
They have been involved in this type of research for decades.

But as far as I know...there's still no conclusive evidence that people can affect change in RL from within an astral projection. If there is documentation of such research, please provide specific link, I'd love to read it.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

But as far as I know...there's still no conclusive evidence that people can affect change in RL from within an astral projection. If there is documentation of such research, please provide specific link, I'd love to read it.

I have one personal experience with this.

WN

Please tell your personal experience!

I've only had 'half' APs... and they've all come from an LD.
Whenever I realize I am LDing weird stuff starts happening and I usually automatically go to a half AP/sleep paralysis state (i've never been able to have a full LD because of this happening lol...)

From personal experience with both i totally agree obe and dreams (lucid or not) are different modes of transportation to the astral. imho.

Originally Posted by legendarymidget

Back to the original question, one technique outlined in Robert Bruce's book, Astral Dynamics, is to just fall back through the dream imagery and let it all fade away as you fall down with your dream body.

I do that a lot and I usually land in my bed. I do that to get my dreams stabilized, when I am in a too hazy dream state. My guess on this is, that possibly the author did mistake a false awakening for being in the astral. As Robert Bruce does talk about reality fluctuations being present in his OBEs, which does for me point out, it is a dream environment and not the "Astral". I think many people who think they practice OBE and AP actually are having LD.

I should also mention, that I consider AP as possible, but people just end up in LDs instead, because they are not ready for one or the other reason.

I had a strange experience yesterday morning where I was dreaming, lying down somewhere, and tried to rotate myself around to see if I could do an OBE and it worked. Then I found myself back in bed and was able to pull myself out of my body. I dunno if this was an OBE or lucid tho. In any case, I encountered some form of menacing entity which scared the living shit out of me, and caused me to get back as quick as I possibly could.

I would not even think that a dream was really different from a dream. How do I dream myself out of a dream? That is what the question really states, and frankly it does not make one wit of sense.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

I would not even think that a dream was really different from a dream. How do I dream myself out of a dream? That is what the question really states, and frankly it does not make one wit of sense.

Yeah that doesn't really make sense to me either. You can wake yourself up in a lucid without moving an inch tho, which leaves you with an easy exit once SP kicks in properly. That is APing 'out of' a LD in a sense.