Shadowofwind:
Originally Posted by shadowofwind
Suppose that I dreamed of orange slices, are concluded upon awaking that this predicted a train accident, and later that day there was a train accident in my city. Would you dismiss it as meaningless on the grounds that orange slices don't relate to train accidents? The key thing is that she had it in her mind that there was a pregnancy based on the dream, and then there was a pregnancy. The dream symbol itself is almost completely irrelevant.
Agreed. But with that in mind, I would say that it was Shaquisha's nana who "predicted the future," given that the fish interpretation was hers, and not Shaquisha's... something to consider there. Otherwise, a fine point, and I'd go right along with an individual making their own interpretations, for just the reason you said (indeed, I believe that is the only way dream interpretation can work).
The 'future event' that was predicted was hearing from her cousin about the pregnancy. You object that the dog was already pregnant. But she would have no way of knowing that through normal means. So if she wasn't seeing the future, she was instead aware of something remotely. So this objection amounts to dismissing a paranormal phenomena because there is a possible explanation involving an equally paranormal phenomena.
I'll stick with my guns here, because the future event was literally that someone was going to be pregnant; not that someone is pregnant. Semantics, I suppose, so I won't defend my obviously weak stance, aside from repeating that it was nana who made the prediction, not Shaquisha.
This leaves the question of whether or not it was a meaningless coincidence. From a strictly objective, sensate standpoint, it could easily have been. Consequently, it would be irrational for another person to conclude that it was clairvoyance based on the objective sensate evidence. But the person who experienced it has another kind of evidence also - they feel the connection between the dream and the event of hearing about the pregnancy. That feeling is not a kind of evidence that can convince another skeptical person, because a person could be lying about the feeling, or they could be fooling themselves, creating the feeling in reaction to hearing about the pregnancy. But such a feeling is a significant kind of evidence for the person who has the experience, and who has a degree of honest experience with interpreting their own feelings. In fact, the feeling is where the dream comes from to start with. All of my premonitions are like that. I don't "see" anything, I feel it, then I construct a dream image from the feeling.
If I had dreamed of the fish, then had that experience, I would not have considered the feeling to be sufficient evidence of forseeing the future. But if I had such experiences every night for a long period of time, and many of them were objectively were far, far less likely to be coincidences, then I would begin to trust the feeling and regard it as a premonition. I'm not in a good position to say how much evidence should be enough for someone else though. To me, "wrong" would be if the other person, in desiring to convince other people of the reality of their premonition, lied about the dream image to make it sound more convincing. As it is, I don't understand the harm in relating one's own interpretation of the experience, while providing an honest recounting of what happened so that another person can judge for themselves. Granted the emotional intemperance is 'wrong'. But the world is jam packed with wrongs a lot worse than that. Emotionally we're all wrong about something most of the time, but we still have to live and feel anyway.
Fair enough, on all counts. Save one. Yes, if it happened all the time, with consistent results, then sure, the dreamer would believe in her ability. But that is if it happens all the time. If it happens once, with a questionable foundation (nana's fish interpretation), is that really enough to make it true, even if you heartily believe it? What if it was just a coincidence, and Shaquisha chooses to consider it real, and then justifies that decision by "remembering" other dreams that predicted the future, until she begins to have a real problem determining what's real and what isn't? Pretty extreme, I know, and I do understand that this sort of thing is probably just the sort of event a kid should be excited about -- as a standalone it's harmless and lets the person know there might be much more to the world. But to approach it with zero skepticism, and to eliminate other much simpler explanations (like coincidence) is not terribly responsible.
That said, I do need to mention that my dreaming adventure began with a very similar situation: When I was about 13, I had a dream about a girl I had a crush on during a vacation 6 months earlier. I had never dreamed of that girl once during the 6 months, and expected never to hear from or of her again (she lived on another coast). But that day, literally minutes after I woke from the dream, a letter arrived from her. I was very impressed!
P.S. Shaquisha: If you're reading this, please don't take my arguments too seriously. Be excited! Welcome dreams that might mean something, but be careful not to get carried away!
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