Thread: Shared Dreaming Debate

I think one difficulty with debate here, is every time some kind of progress in is made in the discussion, someone new drops in a few days later and starts off again where things were a week or month or a year or more earlier. The issue isn't skepticism or lack of it, its just being informed about what people are talking about.

As a side note, I think arguments in relation to character and motive are appropriate in many circumstances. Its inappropriate when it is used as a way of evading forthright engagement with people's arguments, and often that is the way it is used. But suppose, for example, that I'm here with an agenda to advance a particular religious theology, and I bend every exchange towards that ends by any sleight of argument possible. Or suppose I'm here to find psychologically vulnerable people who I can prey upon. Or suppose that I'm halfway sincere, but to some extent I'm also doing one or both of those other things. Anyone who tries to take what I say at face value will become frustrated by the way I lead on like I'm having a real discussion, but in the end always close the door on what they're trying to communicate without giving it an honest chance. Sometimes calling out where the person seems to be coming from is the most direct approach. Even if the person doing the calling out is wrong, at least it gets it into the open where the other person has a chance to refute it effectively. One example of this would be my rude exchange with OutlawPig a month or so ago. Since both of us were honest in our approach to the other person, we were able to cut through the misunderstanding very quickly that way, with no hard feelings afterwards, notwithstanding the highly aggressive and personal nature of both of our comments. Another example would be an argument I had with tsouiz in the f96 forum about Gurjieff. In that case we didn't arrive at any mutual agreement, but the exchange showed a lot more clearly where each person was coming from, which allowed us to avoid subsequent wastes of time and energy. Yes I know that everyone is different, and complicated, and my approach to communication is far from perfect, and we'd be better off if I'd improve it and be less of an asshole. (Is it OK to call myself an asshole? Sometimes its just the most appropriate word for a particular kind of behavior.) But I also think that various subtle forms of insincerity cause far more problems in these discussions than anything else. And if we can't speak about things like motives without that being out of bounds, then sometimes its hard to have a real discussion, because people's motives are to a very large extent what are driving their positions and misunderstandings. As I see it, its not the questioning of honesty that causes problems so much as it is people's desire to maintain a dishonest stance without having it questioned. A lot of this comes down to what the goal is. If the experience of having a pleasant discussion is valued more than making real progress, then we should just pretend friendliness and cheerfulness at every juncture, whether where people are coming from is truly friendly or not. But that's not why I'm here. Yes I realize that conflict and bad feeling can damage communication also, I'm trying to point out one part of the picture, not to suggest that its the whole picture.

Participation, participation, participation.

Shared dreaming accidently, spontainiosly, (totally unexpected and SHOCKINGly) began to happen between participants on saltcube back in 07 and 08 as they participated in Matt Jones 35 and EyeOneBlack's 48 dream remote viewing laboritories.

Due to threats all these amazing threads were removed.

I can't help wondering whether those who got the saltcube threads removed are here, with a mission to discourage the discovery of controlled Psi Dreaming (including shared dreamimg).

Participation is the key

There will be lots (and lots) of embarrassing misses for all participants.

But

Once the brain starts figuring out how to HIT things become wonderous.

A brain is just a brain.

I saw a TV program where Drs kept putting a baby in a high chair and put put a feeding bottle within reach. The brain of that baby ran every program it knew trying to find one that would help towards getting a feed.

The babe even kiked out a leg.

Once the baby hit the bottle with its hand, the brain noted that, and began running that programe over and over.

Once the brain knew how to get the hands to go over to the bottle it began running knew programs trying to figure out how to grasp the bottle.

When the brain had the grasp the bottle program down it began to close-in on how to get a feed from that darn (#!#) feeding bottle.

I coulden't help smiling when I remember seeing that babe kicking out its little foot hoping to get a feed.

When attemping to psi-dream our brain will go through a similar process as it went through to learn how to walk and so on.

We will have many funny falls that will look hillarious to onlookers.

Its humiliating and we feel like running away and never trying again.

But the misses must happen over and over till the baby's hand accidently hits the bottle. The brain notices this and so it the HITS begin to happen more and more.

(IMO)

Chipertainment, thanks for the thoughts. I'll pontificate on these a little bit for the sake of trying to add something....

Facts: Nuance of understanding often interferes with certainty of conviction, and this doubt can interfere with people's experiences and accomplishments. Shared dreaming skeptics are generally correct in their perception that self-proclaimed shared dreamers commonly aren't very objective about their dream experiences. Everyone wants to be heard. We should continue to acknowledge the truth in the skeptic position also.

Values: I think this one is really important, it goes near to the heart of everything. If you can truly understand what someone values, you can understand who they are and what they are trying to communicate. You can know what they know, or even more, since it tends to interact constructively with what you know also. I think that its definitely possible for two people who don't get along to have shared dream experiences with each other. As in a waking life discussion, it strongly qualifies and limits the nature of the experience though. For example, I had what I consider to be a personally valuable shared experience with WakingNomad, though he might not agree and on the face of things we disagree about a lot. I think that at some level we must be at least partially on the same page though, or constructive interaction would not have been possible.

Policies: As I've said before, its not clear to me that proving shared dreaming would even be a positive development at the present time, and I think that's one reason its difficult. At some level we're not ready for it, which is why we can't get there. Struggling with this is part of how we make ourselves ready for it though, as long as we don't push it too hard. I think we should bear in mind that we're talking about a 'psychic phenomena', and its not as if people have just started exploring this sort of thing. For instance, 'channeling' spirits has been big off and on for a long time, but every few generations some people act as if its just being discovered. Its the New Age! There also seems to be some evidence that some of that isn't a very good idea, though we forget those lessons every time the practice falls out of interest for a few decades.

Definitions: Obviously this is a big area of difficulty. A lot of the 'dream world' level shared dreamers seem to have given up and left the forum, leaving a few of us more abstract-meditative types trying to hold up their end of the argument. But it only sort of works, because we're not completely talking about the same thing.

Interpretations: Yes, obviously a problem area, inherently so for this subject in particular, since shared dreaming is to a signficant extent subjective by its very nature.

Research: I don't know a lot about dream research. I do know a fair amount about winning grants, and I've done a bit of trying to reach out to dream researchers. So between those two experiences I'm not surprised that not very many people are working on it.

Criteria: This seems to me to be a big sticking point. The same evidence criteria that are used for say, theories on the evolution of M class stars, are not going to work for shared dreaming. Historically this same kind of difficulty is encountered every time science moves into a new area. As soon as one topic like shared dreaming is tackled successfully, others will quickly follow. For this reason I don't think it matters whether people prove shared dreaming, telepathy, or precognition they're all different facets of the same type of thing.

Theories: I think that when I 'share a dream' with someone, to the limited extent that I do that, I am them a little bit, and vice versa. I have access to their thought the same way they do, in their brain, there aren't any signals being sent around. That shared content is felt, and is relayed to my brain through my feeling. Maybe there are other kinds of sharing also, but for me its all feeling based. In that sense its not even a 'shared dream', we all feel whether we're asleep or awake, and whether we're dreaming pictures and sounds or lucid in some other way. The capacity to feel is definitely central to this sort of thing, particularly being able to feel things that are more subtle than sounds, sights, touches, etc. I realize this isn't anything like a 'theory' in a scientific sense. As far as a mechanism that can be modeled with equations like how other 'physical' interactions are, I think I can argue effectively that nobody has much of a start on this.

Chimpertainment/Shadowofwind:

Well said, both of you!

But... Does this arena really rate that kind of thoughtful attention? Was it worth your effort? Well, when conversation swings right back to riteous indignation, umbrage, syllogistic logic nightmares, and, yes, "It's true because I said so," I think you'll likely pause and wonder.

We may all know what a debate really is, and some of us (myself included) may be able to endure great personal damage if some truth rises from the effort, but in the end it's not about rational thought, controlled reason, or well-founded theory. No, in the end it's all about who makes the most noise longest...

Sageous,

As I've implied earlier, my theory is that there's something that I need to do here, or decisively understand that I don't need to do, before fate will let me move on. Just quitting doesn't seem to work, I've tried that, and its not quite right.

Most human endeavor is ultimately futile. Nothing to do but keep trying anyway, giving in to hedonism is worse. Ninety-nine percent pointless still beats a hundred percent by a wide margin.

Sivason was helping me with some past-life exploration on the side. Maybe I still don't know anything about past lives, or believe in them, but it did turn up some interesting images last night. I think people should feel welcome to private message us if they want to collaborate somehow.

People are free to express their opinions, learn from each other, broaden their views on the subject at hand, but this is merely just for speculation. Sure, we can try our best to promote a healthy debate, and just like debrajane declared, once the brain knows how to hit the spot, it becomes a breeze!

It's just like with practicing techniques, especially for WILD, once a person finds their own balance of maintaining awareness and relaxation, it's only a matter of time until that person gets it consistently. It may be tedious, it may drain our energy, but for what it's worth, once we find our way of doing it, all of that effort, all of the pain and discipline we tried to apply to make it happen will be compensated through this realization.

It's nice to see people express their thoughts, but the only thing that really has any kind of value (IMO), is to simply do the experiments. If there is a flaw with the experiments, we learn from that, we see the mistakes, we find ways to fix it, and we keep TRYING. Even if there are months of failures, (and I'm not implying anyone was saying this), we just have to keep trying. If we really are trying to approach this scientifically, we just have to follow the steps right?

To me, this is all hypothesis, hypothesis, hypothesis, and there's nothing wrong with that. To me, I find that having a bond helps out a lot, and even in the experiment now that I'm trying my best to do, I know that's not going to work out, because it takes time to get to know the participant's behavior. I can only use archetypes and hopefully proper synchronization and hope for the best.

I'm not saying anyone is making it hard to attempt these things, I think it's a matter of understanding how your mind works when you are lucid. I believe in shared dreaming, but I try to keep myself from preaching that it's real, because I know I have yet to make any progress to show any kind of potential of doing so.

People in the IOSDP are trying their best as well (and to be honest, they have shown extreme devotion, despite having a few struggles). This is really going beyond just mastering to get used to how your body works when you are usually unconscious, this is involving trying to synch with another person, synching with how their mind deviates experiences and tries to recollect them to make an experience for them.

It's also a constant struggle within, especially when each attempt fails most of the time because even if a person has perseverance to keep walking through the pain and struggle of finding that connection that can get results, they still have to experience and embrace deeper aspects of their mind.

This is why it's so hard (IMO) to get consistent results with experiments. People engaging in them have the passion, they are willing to work together, eliminate their beliefs temporarily for the sake of improving how they should approach doing the experiments (both here and on the IOSDP section) is what will get substance.

From what I'm seeing in these experiments (from both sections of the forum), is just like debrajane said, it's just a matter of finding what clicks in the brain.

It's simple as that. Once it's found out, once the person has the ability to connect the dots and find how their mind works, all doubt and confusion will continue to subside. Sure it may not give proof just like that, but to me, the actual "doing" is what really matters.

Just imagine, everyone has their own unique way of becoming lucid....some might take weeks, months, years. Now apply that mentality when attempting shared dreaming password experiments.....that's basically elevating things tenfold, it's obviously going to be very very hard because everyone has their own way of getting things to click.

The experiment results might turn out to be horrible time after time, but as long as we as a community can see that, we can find the flaws, re-arrange things, try things out, and try it at a new approach. Yes, there may have been attempts years ago, but they usually did not have many people passionate enough to keep walking through the failed attempts and learning from them.

Everyone that has posted here as their own beliefs, they express their passion, whatever side they're on, and that's respectable. Yes, there are a few attacks on each other here, but most of the time it's because they can't think of a way to approach it.

Things like this, (IMO), are very hard to approach stoically. There will be a little heated discussion once in a while, it's inevitable. I know we're just trying to focus on the idea, and not the person. All I'm saying is that doing it (the experiments, and finding ways to update and improve any imperfections of how they are done), finding what clicks, is really all that matters to me at this point.

We will get nowhere with hypothesis and speculations (even if things end up being civilized and healthy debates), we will get somewhere if we keep pushing forward with the experiments, even if they're not perfect.

When one person clicks, so will the other, in time. This thread itself is proof to motivate ourselves to go a step further from the speculation, and start going on a scavenger hunt for clues, hints, something, to connect the dots.

As long as we know that, this thread can be taken as something for inspiration (to do the experiments) rather than getting staff members to settle things down.

People who join this community are mostly mature and respectful, because dreaming itself is a whole another level of embracing the human psyche. This isn't a weed forum, this isn't a forum on relationships, those all can only go so far.

This is a forum on dreaming in general, that is something that is so spontaneous, so grand, that the only way to get anywhere is to just do something, to just try. I just hope others view this thread as inspiration, no matter the odds.

Originally Posted by shadowofwind

Sageous,

As I've implied earlier, my theory is that there's something that I need to do here, or decisively understand that I don't need to do, before fate will let me move on. Just quitting doesn't seem to work, I've tried that, and its not quite right.

Most human endeavor is ultimately futile. Nothing to do but keep trying anyway, giving in to hedonism is worse. Ninety-nine percent pointless still beats a hundred percent by a wide margin.

I hear you, and as you know I emphatically agree. It's just that sometimes the futility's glare blinds, and that one percent validity simply fades.

Sometimes plugging away at the truth, obstacles be damned, just gets old. It makes me wonder if exploring and disseminating reality is really worth the effort...

To use an over used saying Sageous.

The oak came from the acorn. Like Johnny Appleseed, a modern archetype, we spread the seeds of renewal and the truth is we may never see the results. That is what makes us so strong, like oaks.

Consciousness has been on the move much longer than science.

Originally Posted by debrajane

But the misses must happen over and over till the baby's hand accidently hits the bottle. The brain notices this and so it the HITS begin to happen more and more.

Just look at all the failed attempts throughout history to make an airplane. However, that IS because flight is possible.

I could very well see something in the future like a very advanced EEG scanner being connected to my brain recording my brain waves while I am either awake or asleep and transmitting them over the internet to another individual who also has a device connected to his brain. That sounds feasible; you have a device which can record the data; you have a device which can transmit the data, you have a means over which to transmit the data, and you have the two individuals who are both sending and receiving the data. That's not much more advanced than two computers talking to each other on the internet.

Right now, all we have are two (or more) individuals who are trying to communicate (sending and receiving), but we haven't established the means over which we are transmitting the data, how we are recording the data, or how we are receiving the data.

For example, if I have a dream, how does the dream get "sent" to you? Is it in words? Text? Images? Binary code? A movie? What if you speak a different language than I do? How is it sent? Over a telephone cable? How do you receive it? All these things are clearly defined in computer-to-computer communication.

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

To use an over used saying Sageous.

The oak came from the acorn. Like Johnny Appleseed, a modern archetype, we spread the seeds of renewal and the truth is we may never see the results. That is what makes us so strong, like oaks.

Consciousness has been on the move much longer than science.

That is very true, and why I keep plugging away, regardless.

It's just that yes, those mighty oaks come from acorns, but if the squirrels never stop throwing the things at each other, the seeds won't get a chance to take root.

^^^lol, wait are we the squirrels or the acorns...You could use the parable of the sower from the bible as well. Some go to the birds, some to the rocks, some to the weeds, and some to good ground. Another thing as well, these seeds have been spreading long before humans have been around. So, when we are all dead and gone, what we really are is still here. Some might not see it that way but thats how life seems to be...

Random thought: Try using the principle in martial arts of using a persons forward motion against them. It can be a useful mental trick. In physical terms, they could be running and put to a stop. Most people in western culture have been trained to never stop or rest. It makes for a good working class, but terrible psychological consequences. Just turn that momentum against itself, and you can take advantage of that moment to speak.
Its the opposite of an advertisement; a real moment of connection with another human is the only feasible way to communicate. Unfortunately, many do choose to make this contact more aggressive. I personally like the way martial arts converts aggression to inert energy.

Originally Posted by Chimpertainment

^^^lol, wait are we the squirrels or the acorns...You could use the parable of the sower from the bible as well. Some go to the birds, some to the rocks, some to the weeds, and some to good ground. Another thing as well, these seeds have been spreading long before humans have been around. So, when we are all dead and gone, what we really are is still here. Some might not see it that way but thats how life seems to be...

We are the squirrels, without question. though sometimes I feel like an acorn...

Nice point about the seeds preceding and surviving us, despite all our hubris! Would that for an hour we all held them in the esteem they deserve, rather than in our tightly closed fists.

Random thought: Try using the principle in martial arts of using a persons forward motion against them. It can be a useful mental trick. In physical terms, they could be running and put to a stop. Most people in western culture have been trained to never stop or rest. It makes for a good working class, but terrible psychological consequences. Just turn that momentum against itself, and you can take advantage of that moment to speak.
Its the opposite of an advertisement; a real moment of connection with another human is the only feasible way to communicate. Unfortunately, many do choose to make this contact more aggressive. I personally like the way martial arts converts aggression to inert energy.

Great thought, especially after I just witnessed Mzzkc perform some serious mental judo on another thread! That aside, I think you're right; aggression (not just western, but human -- eastern cultures have only cared to notice and exploit the malady, not replace it), or the need to never stop pushing our own point, is anathema to communication. I we could all pause from hearing ourselves talk and listen to other thoughts and ideas, I think we'd all grow. The squirrels need only drop the acorns and admire them, even the ones they weren't carrying themselves. Share the momentum, as it were, and it is multiplied.

Now I'm just not making sense, and am wondering anyway what this has to do with shared dreaming, even if it has everything to do with debating...

Wow! Twenty-seven percent of the people who answered the poll say you have experienced shared dreaming!

^^ Hey, no fair putting us back on topic, Nomad!

That is a helluva statistic, though ... perhaps it was bolstered by some hopeful bluster?

Originally Posted by debrajane

Shared dreaming accidently, spontainiosly, (totally unexpected and SHOCKINGly) began to happen between participants on saltcube back in 07 and 08 as they participated in Matt Jones 35 and EyeOneBlack's 48 dream remote viewing laboritories.

Due to threats all these amazing threads were removed.

Have you tried looking for your threads with internet archives? You *may* still be able to find them floating around somewhere on the web.

Originally Posted by Mindraker

Have you tried looking for your threads with internet archives? You *may* still be able to find them floating around somewhere on the web.

I don't know how to look for lost threads by internet archives.

I am happy that I found my photoes thanks to your password experiment. You see, ever since you posted the password "Rubik's cube" I got a "niggle" at the back of my mind. For days it reminded me of something.

Finally, at 2 in the morming it jelled. I opened the old photo galleries in this phone and there it was (hahaha). And not only my Rubiks cube dream-target photo but all twelve.

I quite again after twelve because participation stopped. But I got another idear and started up again and sgain. Getting participants is the hard bit.

I think Matt Jones got more paticipants because he could offer prizss. Small prizs, but prizes are motivating to folk who otherwise woulden't face the humiliation of busting.

Matt Jones got seventeen participants in his second dream remote viewing lab. I wasn't on saltcube back then but I coppied all Matts 35 Labs when I found them. Then I coppied all of EyeOneBlack's. Eye did 48. I was invited onto saltcube to participate during Eye's thirtieth (30th) Lab.

I have all 48 of Eye's threads copied too.

So I don't need to find them if they are out there somewhere. And my big 60+ post thread on the IASD Discussion Board thread was deleted on the 11/11/10. That thread was heading right off-the-scale just befor it was deleted.

Thing is

I recon it was heading off-the-scale becaus I and my couple of participants wouldn't quit. Me thinks that's the bottom line.

It don't matter who hosts or who participates. It's a matter of having a go and when you bust pick yourself up, brush youself down, and start all over again.

Something that a man with epilepsy has had a lot of experiece at.

Originally Posted by debrajane

I don't know how to look for lost threads by internet archives.

I am happy that I found my photoes thanks to your password experiment. You see, ever since you posted the password "Rubik's cube" I got a "niggle" at the back of my mind. For days it reminded me of something.

Finally, at 2 in the morming it jelled. I opened the old photo galleries in this phone and there it was (hahaha). And not only my Rubiks cube dream-target photo but all twelve.

I quite again after twelve because participation stopped. But I got another idear and started up again and sgain. Getting participants is the hard bit.

I think Matt Jones got more paticipants because he could offer prizss. Small prizs, but prizes are motivating to folk who otherwise woulden't face the humiliation of busting.

Matt Jones got seventeen participants in his second dream remote viewing lab. I wasn't on saltcube back then but I coppied all Matts 35 Labs when I found them. Then I coppied all of EyeOneBlack's. Eye did 48. I was invited onto saltcube to participate during Eye's thirtieth (30th) Lab.

I have all 48 of Eye's threads copied too.

So I don't need to find them if they are out there somewhere. And my big 60+ post thread on the IASD Discussion Board thread was deleted on the 11/11/10. That thread was heading right off-the-scale just befor it was deleted.

Thing is

I recon it was heading off-the-scale becaus I and my couple of participants wouldn't quit. Me thinks that's the bottom line.

It don't matter who hosts or who participates. It's a matter of having a go and when you bust pick yourself up, brush youself down, and start all over again.

Something that a man with epilepsy has had a lot of experiece at.

Pick Yourself Up – Swing Time (1939)
Pick Yourself Up - Swing Time (1936) - YouTube
(2:10) 21,589 views since 24-March-08

"Pick Yourself Up" is a popular song composed in 1936 by Jerome Kern, with lyrics written by Dorothy Fields.

The song was written for the film Swing Time (1936), where it was introduced by Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. Ginger plays a dance instructor whom Fred follows into her studio; he pretends to have two left feet in order to get her to dance with him. It served as the theme song for the short-lived 1955-56 prime time television variety series The Johnny Carson Show.
[She] I can’t teach you anything.
Lyrics:
[He]
Please teacher, teach me something,
Nice teacher, teach me something.
I'm as awkward as a camel, that's not the worst,
My two feet haven't met yet,
But I'll be teacher's pet yet,
'Cause I'm gonna learn to dance or burst.

[She]
Nothing's impossible I have found,
For when my chin is on the ground,
I pick myself up,
Dust myself off,
Start All over again.

Don't lose your confidence if you slip,
Be grateful for a pleasant trip,
And pick yourself up,
Dust yourself off,
Start all over again.

Work like a soul inspired,
Till the battle of the day is won.
You may be sick and tired,
But you'll be a man, my son!

Will you remember the famous men,
Who had to fall to rise again?
So take a deep breath,
Pick yourself up,
Dust yourself off,
Start all over again.

[He]
I'll get some self assurance
If your endurance is great.
I'll learn by easy stages
If you're courageous and wait.

To feel the strength I want to,
I must hang on to your hand,
Maybe by the time I'm fifty
I'll get up and do a nifty.

[Both]
Nothing's impossible I have found,
For when my chin is on the ground,
I pick myself up,
Dust myself off,
Start all over again.

Don't lose your confidence if you slip,
Be grateful for a pleasant trip,
And pick yourself up,
Dust yourself off,
Start all over again.

Work like a soul inspired,
Till the battle of the day is won.
You may be sick and tired,
But you'll be a man, my son!

Will you remember the famous men,
Who had to fall to rise again?
So take a deep breath,
Pick yourself up,
Dust yourself off,
Start all over again.

She (Ginger Rogers) say’s to He ( Fed Astaire):

“No one could teach you to dance in a million years!”

Ooops I found a better one here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QKWC4...eature=related

Look!!!!!!

Sivason ( Fred) has opened this exciting thread:
http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/shared...-think-135449/

Here is the bestest, and longest Fred and Ginger – Pick Yourself Up Youtube:

Fred & Ginger - Pick Yourself Up - YouTube
(7:24) heeheehee 444 views

Mis Carol (Carol was my amazing participant behind the big sharks coming into shore in my experiment)

Originally Posted by debrajane

Something that a man with epilepsy has had a lot of experiece at.

Can say that again... and again... and again. Whew!

Oh... about the archives... here's the link: http://archive.org/index.php I can't guarantee it will be out there. It's fun playing with, and finding stuff that's re-re-re-cached on the internet. You never know. I've found posts of mine that are over 10 years old.

Originally Posted by Mindraker

Just look at all the failed attempts throughout history to make an airplane. However, that IS because flight is possible.

I could very well see something in the future like a very advanced EEG scanner being connected to my brain recording my brain waves while I am either awake or asleep and transmitting them over the internet to another individual who also has a device connected to his brain. That sounds feasible; you have a device which can record the data; you have a device which can transmit the data, you have a means over which to transmit the data, and you have the two individuals who are both sending and receiving the data. That's not much more advanced than two computers talking to each other on the internet.

Right now, all we have are two (or more) individuals who are trying to communicate (sending and receiving), but we haven't established the means over which we are transmitting the data, how we are recording the data, or how we are receiving the data.

For example, if I have a dream, how does the dream get "sent" to you? Is it in words? Text? Images? Binary code? A movie? What if you speak a different language than I do? How is it sent? Over a telephone cable? How do you receive it? All these things are clearly defined in computer-to-computer communication.

I like this idea. Man, that would be great technology. I think it would be awesome if the computor system worked on a sort of holladeck (star trek) concept. The dreamers would not be in the hooladeck, but the system could intensify the experience somehow, and make things more 3d and real. Totally want one of the devices!

Originally Posted by sivason

I like this idea. Man, that would be great technology. I think it would be awesome if the computor system worked on a sort of holladeck (star trek) concept. The dreamers would not be in the hooladeck, but the system could intensify the experience somehow, and make things more 3d and real. Totally want one of the devices!

Technology is moving rapidly. If you want to see something really messed up, check this out. Wires are planted *into your brain* and little electric tingles go off to deal with extreme parkinson's and epilepsy patients.

If that's not cutting-edge, I don't know what is.

Wow. over 87% of the people that voted in the poll so believe shared dreaming is real or could be!

GARRRRGGHHH I AM THE DEMON OF DEAD THREADS... why the heck did this get bumped up?

Originally Posted by Mindraker

GARRRRGGHHH I AM THE DEMON OF DEAD THREADS... why the heck did this get bumped up?

It is WakingNomad thread. He was mostly indisposed for two years, but not dead. Now he's back. Seems appropriate to me.