Thread: Subconscious talking to you

That vision of the unconscious sounds kind of vast to me!

It's known that the sub/unconscious can solve problems while we sleep, in fact that's part of its function, to sort through day residue and problems and try to work toward the solution. Or to help the conscious mind do so on waking interpretation.

But I'm beginning to understand what you're talking about.

Unfortunately I can't even seem to achieve lucidity at all these days, much less your advanced level of it!! Wish I could join you in that!! Maybe one day I will. It does sound interesting - rather than interpret the "messages" that bubble to the surface just plunge right in and explore.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

That vision of the unconscious sounds kind of vast to me!

It's known that the sub/unconscious can solve problems while we sleep, in fact that's part of its function, to sort through day residue and problems and try to work toward the solution. Or to help the conscious mind do so on waking interpretation.

... or could it be that we are simply creating messages and meaning from what's reflected up at us from the unconscious, sort of like the way we "see" codes in the Bible, or meaning in paintings that the artist never intended? We could just be consciously "helping" ourselves, and the unconscious' function is something else altogether. The conscious mind might be doing all the work, but for lack of an explanation as to how or why, which might be beyond us or just humbling, we decide that we must be getting help from our unconscious. I don't entirely believe that, but it is a thought...

Unfortunately I can't even seem to achieve lucidity at all these days, much less your advanced level of it!! Wish I could join you in that!! Maybe one day I will. It does sound interesting - rather than interpret the "messages" that bubble to the surface just plunge right in and explore.

Darkmatters, it sounds to me like you're already well on the way toward a chance at taking that plunge -- give it time, and never surrender.

Originally Posted by Sageous

Darkmatters, it sounds to me like you're already well on the way toward a chance at taking that plunge -- give it time, and never surrender.

You just made something click in my head.

When I first discovered DV and read EtWoLD I started having lucid dreams, slowly - at first no more than one a month, but worked up to 2 in one month, and then suddenly I stopped having them. Now I've revived my interest, but I'm not making any progress, and I've been aware that I don't have the same drive and ambition for it that I did in the beginning... and now I think it's because I decided, subliminally I suppose, that I really prefer nonlucid dreams over lucid ones.

They tend to have a different quality and for me at least, nonlucids are more epic and surreal, while my lucids tend to be pretty mundane and mostly take place in my bedroom or house. Kinda dull!

I need to ponder this for a bit. I mean damn - no matter how hard I try, im sure I'll never succeed in having more than a few lucids in a month - or even if I do, still the non-lucids will far outnumber them. I need to get that burning desire back.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

You just made something click in my head.

When I first discovered DV and read EtWoLD I started having lucid dreams, slowly - at first no more than one a month, but worked up to 2 in one month, and then suddenly I stopped having them. Now I've revived my interest, but I'm not making any progress, and I've been aware that I don't have the same drive and ambition for it that I did in the beginning... and now I think it's because I decided, subliminally I suppose, that I really prefer nonlucid dreams over lucid ones.

They tend to have a different quality and for me at least, nonlucids are more epic and surreal, while my lucids tend to be pretty mundane and mostly take place in my bedroom or house. Kinda dull!

I need to ponder this for a bit. I mean damn - no matter how hard I try, im sure I'll never succeed in having more than a few lucids in a month - or even if I do, still the non-lucids will far outnumber them. I need to get that burning desire back.

Darkmatters:

First, be assured that if you expect that your lucids will be dull and limited, they will be. And, if you are sure that you will never succeed in having more than a few lucids a month then, sure enough, you won’t!

I can honestly say that I have had many LD’s that were far more epic, surreal, rich, deep, mind-bending, and just plain impressive than any non-LD I can remember (and I can remember a lot of ‘em). By the same token, I have had many LD’s that were far duller, emptier, and more bereft of any meaning than even the lowliest non-LD’s that I can remember. To this day I still suffer many a “gray” LD where I simply can’t get the dreaming motor started and everything is just plain boring. But are you really seeking lucid dreams just to be entertained? I’ve read a lot of your posts, Darkmatters, and I don’t think so.

Now…

I haven’t valued LD’s for their entertainment value in a very long time, so maybe I can point out another use they might have (as if I haven’t already on this thread, but bear with me). Lucid dreaming offers us a near perfect tool for exploring the world of dreams, the unconscious, the soul, and perhaps our very place in this reality. This is because through LD’ing we are able thwart nature and cross its long-protected boundaries to explore our unconscious minds, our total beings. A lot could be learned from that.

So maybe the reason to continue isn’t excitement; maybe you might find some incentive in what might be learned, how you might grow as a person by connecting with the rest of your mind. Hell, even if you never LD again, the wisdom and psychic strength you’ll pick up as you develop LD’ing “skills” like advanced self awareness and state testing, will be reward enough. LD’ing, and the discipline it demands, has intrinsic value that trumps pretty pictures ever time. I think.

I hope you might consider these things, and others that are being presented on this amazing thread, while you ponder the value of pursuing LD’s. Oh, and don’t forget that no matter what you do, those epic and surreal non-LD’s that you have will be waiting for you in your psychic wings.

Good luck lighting up that desire... the matches are wet right now, but they might dry out someday.