Um, isn't DMT a chemical, and AP a mystical experience? |
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i have not done dmt but i have reserched it lots and know alot about it, and i have had several lucid dreams and 2 OBEs. |
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Um, isn't DMT a chemical, and AP a mystical experience? |
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I read somewhere that a small amount of DMT is released naturally inside your brain when you dream. Does anyone have any evidence that supports or denies that theory? |
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Ive not personally had the pleasure of a dmt trip, but based on trip reports and my own experiences with other psychedelics, i would have to say the two experiences are probably very different. Yes you are "lucid" but you are in a highly different mind state. I cant really explain how, theres too much to say. All i can say is try dmt or another psychedelic (lsd, shrooms, mescaline, doi, 2c-e, etc.) yourself, youll know what i mean. |
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it is speculated that DMT is released when you are born, when you die and when you dream. |
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i understand what you are saying, however from the research i have done it seems that you are in a completely normal mind state when you are doing DMT. normal being not high in anyway. so if you imagine you now sitting there not high or anything at all, exept you are experiencing all these things that DMT shows you. im pretty sure this is how terence mckenna describes it. |
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"DMT concentrates in the human cerebrospinal fluid on a 24 hour cycle and it reaches its peak between 3 and 4 am in most people and that's when deep REM sleep is happening." Terence mckenna |
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also the memory of a DMT trip very quickly fades, just like dreams. |
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So: |
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Last edited by Sageous; 02-09-2013 at 06:52 PM.
yess! |
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^^ Agreed. |
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the people who do do DMT seem to be realy keen to try and bring back as much information as they can and further understanding in it. |
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Agreed. I've experienced THC and LSD and I can say that lucid dreaming is nothing like LSD, however it is somewhat similar to THC. In fact, I would say that hypnagogia (the stuff that happens right before entering the dream in a WILD attempt) is almost identical to a THC trip. I actually suspect that endocannabinoids play an important role in the 'high' of dreaming. |
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Last edited by cmind; 02-10-2013 at 09:37 PM.
i dont think this is very good grounds to make this assumption. all of these (acid, mashrooms, dmt e.c.t) are extremely different, so to assume DMT is like them doesnt seem right. |
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No they're not. I can tell you from personal experience that LSD, mushrooms, and mescaline are all pretty similar. DMT is clearly more powerful when smoked, but there's no way it's not just a more powerful serotonergic trip. Otherwise, you might as well throw all modern pharmacology out the window. |
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Last edited by Facelessliars; 06-02-2015 at 06:17 AM. Reason: Typos
i have experienced thc, lsd, mushrooms, aswell as smoked dmt. multiple times, from my experience they are very very different, in physical & experienced effects. they are similar, they all cause hallucinations, but tht does not mean they are the same. chemicals taught us you can even just make a analog & can have some drastic differences. the DMT: spirit molecule i believe admitts good doses of DMT is naturally released during REM & other states aswell. lucid dreaming is different than smoked DMT too, when you dream its more of a natural process than you lighting up a bowl & there could be other chemicals and reactions going on. if you dont "breakthrough" your in your body still & still have an intense experience, but because your in your body happily tripping its a bit different than a dream, a dream is more of a "breakthrough" type of experience. so far, i have only pushed smoked dmt to the point of breakthrough but i fought it off. i know people who have broken through multiple times though, they have told me a long range of different experiences, most pretty alike a lucid dream, dream characters, be'ing lectured by said dream characters, many symbols. sometimes its like astral projection, i havnt done AP yet but those around me who have smoked dmt AP'd they said they could still hear what people were saying next to them, although it was quite distorted. this is one of the multiple reasons why set, setting, & a good group of friends is requested for a heavy dmt experience. last note, dmt trips have you forget the experience in the same way dreams do, you must focus or write it down somehow to not let it slip through your fingers. i personally believe dmt is involved in dreams & meditation, but it may not be the only chemical involved. |
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Last edited by krulls; 06-04-2015 at 06:21 PM.
DMT and T. McKenna, a long history there of wonderful information for a sub culture. |
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I have experienced ayahuasca, dmt, mushrooms and various other entheogens. Although they sam DMT occurs naturally in the brain and is released during sleep, one could assume the experiences could be similar but they are vastly different. Mushooms contain psilocybin which is almost the same structure as dmt chemically and does feel quite similar to the other compounds previously mentioned, but I find that the experiences they all induce are so much more intense and complex than any dream situation I have been in. I certainly believe the places I have visited and the beings I have experienced on these compounds are very real and very intense, it certainly feels as though it opens a gateway to another realm or level of conciousness that we cannot access in daily life. I feel that dreams give us much gentler glimpses into these realms. I also should finish by saying that these entheogens should be treated with the upmost respect and are not something to be playing around with. the energetic composition of these ancient plants should be highly regarded and used with extreme caution and under the supervision of someone experienced. |
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As I see it, a more fundamental limitation on transcendent experiences is we lack the intellectual, emotional, moral, and spiritual development to support the impact of the experience. Lack of lucidity and lack of awareness in the experience is a benefit, because what gets through is in accordance with who you are and where you're at, or where you are ready to move to. If you drive your lucidity and the scope of your awareness beyond that, you learn things which you can not know and feel in their true context. What you get is potent, but is a caricature of what you're after. And as a caricature it doesn't satisfy, you need more. Living can bring things back into balance I think, but it takes a very long time, often more time than you have as an individual. |
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