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      I'm freaked out to do AP and OBE

      Yeah, I'm completely afraid of OBE's and AP because I read somewhere that while your soul is out, demons could take over your body.. And I have another question. Are OBE's even real? I find the concept hard to believe and also, is it true that demons can take over your body? I know I sound ignorant if this isn't true but I just wanted to throw this out there. I've literally been so freaked out by this so that's pretty much why I am asking.
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      I dont believe in demands. I don't see any legitimate evidence anywhere proving they are real. I wish I would have a OBE,I tried last night and just fell into a lucid dream. Iv been listning to some Binaural beats for the past 30 mins. I know your supost to relax while listning but oh well!

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      Quote Originally Posted by CbmGraphics View Post
      I dont believe in demands. I don't see any legitimate evidence anywhere proving they are real.
      Exactly! People say that they have experienced them, but I don't know if it's real or not until I actually experience one, like LD's. The problem is though, I'm afraid to experience one because of that demon myth I heard a while ago.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xvaiuer View Post
      Exactly! People say that they have experienced them, but I don't know if it's real or not until I actually experience one, like LD's. The problem is though, I'm afraid to experience one because of that demon myth I heard a while ago.
      Just block it out,as I am 13. I'v learned that anything that I dont believe on the internet is usually 99.9% alwase fake. I wouldn't worry.

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      Best thing you could do is to read about it as much as you can.

      What I have read and what I believe is, that if you encounter something scary, it's only because you were scared. You basically made them appear. Same way when you summon something in a LD.

      So fill your mind with pleasant thoughts, KNOW that you are in control, what you think is what will happen.

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      Ok what are OBEs and APs? I am confused^^

      But I guess whatever they are they must be some kind of entities that emit danger/threat and induce fear/terror?

      What I can say about demonic possession is the following:

      When you can leave your body and go explore a totally different dimension ("dream world"), ir's not far fetched to say that there are other spirits/entities that are floating around in that dimension. I ahve come to this conculsione specially through extreme usage of the WILD method. To me this method still is a form of leaving your body (astralprojection), it proved to me that leaving the body is reality and no science-fiction. I have even explored my entire house in that spirit-form and the fact that I can see myself lying on the bed after a WILD attempt was succesful just was the last piece of evidence to me that leaving the body is fact and no fiction. So, what about possessions you say? You are afraid that other spirits/entities may come and sit in your body, while you are gone right? Mh. I don't think that is possible. Look everybody is unique, therefore every soul has it's unique case (body) to fit into. It's almost like receptors in your brain. Specific receptors can ONLY connect to specific neurotransmitters, which are sent through the membrane of the axon to the dendrite. In bio-chemistry there are excepitons though, where other molecules like THC can mimik the neurotransmitters and conenct to the dendrite to cause massive dopamine disitribution (an example), but that is not transferable to bodies and their attached souls.

      One might wonder what schizophrenia would be then? Two souls within one body? Maybe. A soul split into two/several personalities? Maybe. But such mental diseases are exceptional topic and demand their own thread and discussion.

      Also my preposters are right, the more you let yourself think about such negative things, the more it's likely for you to experience them as some sort of semi-hallucination. Almost like the placebo effect of medicine that is actually only compressed glucose. So keep your mental state stable and strong, and you should be able to overcome your irrational fears.

      I still wonder though, what about exorcism? and alike? Should be clear cases of possession right? Well what I think is the following:

      When you are convinced (like me) that there are spiritual entities. It is not far fetched that one can call them, ever heard of oujia boards? There a re a LOT of fakes out there. But you actually can conenct to those entities, see: shamans, shamanic rituals, visionary rituals etc. the thing is though, as soon as you manage to summon such an entity, it can have as much influence on you, as you can have on it, which is why shamans are 1. in a very strong and stable mental state and 2. ease the connection through usage of mind-augmentating substances, such as DMT or alike.
      So it's pretty much self explanatory that all those cases of exorcism and demonic possession were caused either by mental illness (schizophrenia and alike) or inexperienced abuse of spirit summoning rituals (curious careless teenagers).

      All in all I can only repeat: You are fine. Nobody can invade your body if you don't want them to. Autosuggestion is a strong tool for keeping your mental state strong.

      Cheers
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      I think both AP and what you can call OBE are variations on the WILD skill. I also think they can be real and mystical. I say what you can call OBE, meaning a simple floating out of your body trick, in which you are still in this world, such as exploring your house. I believe that kind of OBE is 100% harmless. You never actually leave your body, you just expand your awareness beyond your body.

      Now true AP is a different animal altogether. AP involves going inside yourself and breaking through the barriers between dimensions. You should be well developed in your own self-awareness and have some mental discipline before messing with that. No, demons will not possess you, but I honestly think that with true AP things can get complicated as you will likely meet entities, and they may try to kind of leach off of you or pick on you.

      So, try out just exploring your surroundings in a basic OBE setting, and feel completely safe. It is totally harmless.
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      Quote Originally Posted by sivason View Post
      I think both AP and what you can call OBE are variations on the WILD skill. I also think they can be real and mystical. I say what you can call OBE, meaning a simple floating out of your body trick, in which you are still in this world, such as exploring your house. I believe that kind of OBE is 100% harmless. You never actually leave your body, you just expand your awareness beyond your body.

      Now true AP is a different animal altogether. AP involves going inside yourself and breaking through the barriers between dimensions. You should be well developed in your own self-awareness and have some mental discipline before messing with that. No, demons will not possess you, but I honestly think that with true AP things can get complicated as you will likely meet entities, and they may try to kind of leach off of you or pick on you.

      So, try out just exploring your surroundings in a basic OBE setting, and feel completely safe. It is totally harmless.
      This is a kind of late response, but I have 2 questions. You said that you're likely to meet entities, well are they real or just imagination? And is it possible to do AP or OBE on accident? I never ever ever want to have one, and I'm afraid I might do it accidentally.

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      AP will not happen on accident. Unless you attempt to learn to do it, then do not worry. Just have fun with WILD and if you float out of your body, it is just a type of dreaming; that is harmless.
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