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      Interested in astral projection. Is there way to induce it?

      I have had 2 obes. The first time i suddenly felt my body vibrating and something deattaching my body and little by little i could see more and more trought my eyelids. This experience was very different from lucid dream because i could think completely normally and it just felt so different. I didnt know what it was back then but when i was deattached from my body it was so hard to move it felt like i didnt have a body i tried to leave outside of my room but before i reached the door i was at my bed again and it didnt felt like i woke up from dream more like i moved back to my body. I had few lucid dreams about obe but i always knew it was a dream it feels very different. So i would like to know if it is possible to induce such a experience again.
      Is it possible to induce obe/astral projection?

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      Astral projection is simple... but one needs training. Training of relaxation, concentration.

      I train nearly 30 years, and even after more than thousand OBE, I can't induce it when I want. I can relaxate so that I dont feel body, I can concentrate on nothing(only being now and here), without thought. But OBE is (at least) for me more difficult. It needs right concentration... state of mind.

      You can do OBE to different dimensions, it is simplest into astral, it is more difficult to project to others (each one needs special mindset...)
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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      Astral projection is simple... but one needs training. Training of relaxation, concentration.

      I train nearly 30 years, and even after more than thousand OBE, I can't induce it when I want. I can relaxate so that I dont feel body, I can concentrate on nothing(only being now and here), without thought. But OBE is (at least) for me more difficult. It needs right concentration... state of mind.

      You can do OBE to different dimensions, it is simplest into astral, it is more difficult to project to others (each one needs special mindset...)
      I know this is off-topic but what is the difference between AP and LD ?

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      Quote Originally Posted by VagalTone View Post
      I know this is off-topic but what is the difference between AP and LD ?
      Google it. There are many many threads about the difference between them. Im only iterested in it because i have accidentaly experience obe thats why i want induce it again. Some people even consider astral projection as reality of different dimension. I dont know much about obe myself so if your interested google it.

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      It is completely different feeling, thought process is different...
      LD uses imagination
      AP (at least I see it so) needs to avoid it.

      in LD you know you are dreaming, even if your consciousness can be much stronger and focused than in physical world... In AP you know that that is no dream... And you know that that is no physical reality what you are perceiving... But you feel it real, more real than physical world. Your consciousness is much, much sharper. It is like ecstasy of freedom of mind... My descriptions are seriously lacking... and also ability to describe it.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Psionik View Post
      It is completely different feeling, thought process is different...
      LD uses imagination
      AP (at least I see it so) needs to avoid it.

      in LD you know you are dreaming, even if your consciousness can be much stronger and focused than in physical world... In AP you know that that is no dream... And you know that that is no physical reality what you are perceiving... But you feel it real, more real than physical world. Your consciousness is much, much sharper. It is like ecstasy of freedom of mind... My descriptions are seriously lacking... and also ability to describe it.
      Thanks for your effort do describe it. I wonder if it just a different degree of lucidity...

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      Quote Originally Posted by VagalTone View Post
      Thanks for your effort do describe it. I wonder if it just a different degree of lucidity...
      Of course it could be but its worth trying to experience it. Dreams feel like dreams but when you experience something like this it opens a possibility what it could be and what it could be is something that interest me a lot. Thats why i have to learn to induce before deciding anything.

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      Seltiez, sorry for the off-topic discussion. There are many threads to discuss this. I have googled it but i still canīt see the difference. It is very well known that a LD can be very realistic, and thatīs why i think it is useless to use different terminology, unless there is some difference. For instance, OBE and LD have the same feeling to me, but the way the dream starts, the dream locale, my dream awareness and recall, are different. I think there is justification to say OBE is a LD theme, a very well specific theme.

      You want to learn to induce OBEs ?

      Maybe i can help you, because many of my WILDs and DEILDS start with me getting out of bed, although i donīt see my body in the bed. If this is an OBE , and Laberge says you don't have to see your body to be an OBE, then i can tell you that SSILD technique is what works best for me. Have you tried it ? While doing SSILD, i have a great chance to doze off, so i raise my forearm, like this . I also have a higher chance if i sleep on my back, check this

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      Quote Originally Posted by VagalTone View Post
      Seltiez, sorry for the off-topic discussion. There are many threads to discuss this. I have googled it but i still canīt see the difference. It is very well known that a LD can be very realistic, and thatīs why i think it is useless to use different terminology, unless there is some difference. For instance, OBE and LD have the same feeling to me, but the way the dream starts, the dream locale, my dream awareness and recall, are different. I think there is justification to say OBE is a LD theme, a very well specific theme.

      You want to learn to induce OBEs ?

      Maybe i can help you, because many of my WILDs and DEILDS start with me getting out of bed, although i donīt see my body in the bed. If this is an OBE , and Laberge says you don't have to see your body to be an OBE, then i can tell you that SSILD technique is what works best for me. Have you tried it ? While doing SSILD, i have a great chance to doze off, so i raise my forearm, like this . I also have a higher chance if i sleep on my back, check this
      Im just being open minded about this. I have had a obe experience before otherwise i would also lean towards it being lucid dream. I have had lucid dream that felt and looked 100% but i still knew it was a dream. When i had accdentally had a obe it started me trying to sleep. But then suddenly my something happened my awareness became 100% and i started to see trought my eyelids. Then i started to rise out of my body and tried to move while which was hard. But the thing is my mind felt different it was silent calm it just felt like i left my body. I tried too hard to move around so i snapped back to my body. It wasnt like lucid dream when it started to fade and everything went dark and then you wake up i just was in my body like i never slept. What makes me want to experience it again is that it just didnt felt like dream. And i have never had a dream where i didnt know it was a dream until this happened. It could be very different state of dream but you can only understand if you experience it. I cant explain it better.

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      VagalTone I read somewhere theory that people are in astral every time they sleep, they only shroud themselves into fantasy world... and don't see outside their theater... why?
      I have other theory: we all are existing in all dimensions permanently, but our consciousness is only perceiving physical world... we are used to use only that sensors whose our body has. When we are going to sleep our consciousness of physical world weakens as sensors of our body are shutting down. When our mind is not concentrated enough, and lack's of sensory input it either drowns into unconsciousness, or hallucinates its own world(fantasy, dream...) But if we shut down our sensory input enough by ourselves and we are concentrated at the same time, and don't imagine things we can see and interact with astral itself. Of course, imagination is not bound to conscious mind, subconscious part has its own quality... and therefore changes surrounding - more or less... But state of mind is quite different. I can differentiate clearly between LD; astral, mental, budhic dimension, it is very different state of mind one needs to exist consciously there.

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