Thread: Magicant

What is that?

Originally Posted by sivason

What is that?

A quick google search reports that it's a level/area in the earthbound series in the game of mother.

Magicant is a dreamland generated by your subconscious. Eveything you see there would be reflective of yourself.

Basically you'd be you delving into your conscious and seeing who you really are. A process where you discover even parts of you that even you weren't aware of.

Essentially it is a form of dream yoga.

Originally Posted by Kixerus

Magicant is a dreamland generated by your subconscious. Eveything you see there would be reflective of yourself.

Isn't that basically the definition of any dream?

Basically you'd be you delving into your conscious and seeing who you really are. A process where you discover even parts of you that even you weren't aware of.

Isn't that just typical dream interpretation? What is the difference?

Essentially it is a form of dream yoga.

It is? How so?



I'm not sure I see anything significant about a magicant, Kixerus; what am I missing?

It differs from a regular dream in that you must be lucid to experience it. You also won't be able to alter it in any form. Unlike regular dreams and nightmares where you could just manipulate the dream to your liking, your only choice in your Magicant would be to accept it for what it is and learn from it through experiencing it or merely wake up.

Magicant shares some aspects with a dream guide or tulpa. You're essentially asking your subconscious to show you who you are and experiencing yourself unfiltered, both good and bad.

And how you can get this magicant dreamy thing?
It sounds like a LD where I dont have controll. Why is it so special?

The reason it's special is that you don't have control. How often have you been in a dream when you were about to learn something about yourself and it was scary, so you changed the scenery? In your magicant you wouldn't be able to do this, you could run away and wake up. Doing so would change nothing though and your magicant would remain unchanged by your conscious mind.

It's also is unlike other dreams where you have no control. Usually in dreams you have no control of you are either in someone else's dream or someone stronger than you has entered your dream. In your magicant you are in your own dream controlled by your subconscious.

If you don't know what the hell you're doing you could potentially end up becoming delusional. If you understand what it means to truly lucid dream you could gain insight to not only yourself, but the world around you.

An example would be insight to the true nature of sleep paralysis and the dark hooded figures.

So you say its a really unique kind of dream place, world. Where something important is happening to ya.
So its basically a dream\state where the dream is fully conducted by the subc and it reveals your true nature?
I can't find out if this thing is true, since I'm not an experienced lucid draemer. But I'm getting better , so I'll try to find out what is this when I'll be more experienced and will have full controll over most of my dreams.

Originally Posted by Kixerus

The reason it's special is that you don't have control. How often have you been in a dream when you were about to learn something about yourself and it was scary, so you changed the scenery? In your magicant you wouldn't be able to do this, you could run away and wake up. Doing so would change nothing though and your magicant would remain unchanged by your conscious mind.

It's also is unlike other dreams where you have no control. Usually in dreams you have no control of you are either in someone else's dream or someone stronger than you has entered your dream. In your magicant you are in your own dream controlled by your subconscious.

If you don't know what the hell you're doing you could potentially end up becoming delusional. If you understand what it means to truly lucid dream you could gain insight to not only yourself, but the world around you.

An example would be insight to the true nature of sleep paralysis and the dark hooded figures.

I think you read too many stories about lucid dreams, you should rather rely on your own experience. I want to know the reason why you call it 'magicant'?

Such experience does exist in some extent, like a mind-mirror, instead of seeing yourself in the mirror, you can experience your subconscious personality.

Don't like that term 'dream guide', but some people would think of this as a dream communication with their 'dream guide'.

What IS the nature of the Dark hooded figures?

Originally Posted by GDreamer

So you say its a really unique kind of dream place, world. Where something important is happening to ya.
So its basically a dream\state where the dream is fully conducted by the subc and it reveals your true nature?
I can't find out if this thing is true, since I'm not an experienced lucid draemer. But I'm getting better , so I'll try to find out what is this when I'll be more experienced and will have full controll over most of my dreams.

I wish you luck. One trick I learned was to stare at a light source (sun,stars, lamp,etc) in your dream. For me this made everything more vivid and prolonged the duration of the dream.

Originally Posted by flowofmysoul

I think you read too many stories about lucid dreams, you should rather rely on your own experience. I want to know the reason why you call it 'magicant'?

Such experience does exist in some extent, like a mind-mirror, instead of seeing yourself in the mirror, you can experience your subconscious personality.

Don't like that term 'dream guide', but some people would think of this as a dream communication with their 'dream guide'.

I have read many stories, but I am a critical thinker.
I don't just blindly believe things, I test them out to verify them.

Had I not experienced lucid dreaming myself I wouldn't have believed it. It is a little discouraging that most lucid dreamers are only concerned with having dream sex. Very few people seek the truth. You're probably skeptical because you haven't experienced it yourself, I encourage you to push your lucid dreams to their limit and see what you experience.

I call it Magicant because I cannot think of anything else to call it. The name suits it though as it is similar to the Magicant found in Earthbound (Mother 2) conceptually.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

What IS the nature of the Dark hooded figures?

Many people have differing beliefs about the black hooded figure but agree that it correlates with sleep paralysis.

From what I've experienced it affects lucid dreaming. I recall experimenting with lucid dreaming and trying to see how far I could go. I had a few dreams that I could see the future and amazingly they came to pass. I began seeing trivial things in the future. I then wanted to try more grand, and it felt like i was ripped out of my dream. I could see my room, but couldn't move. That's when I encountered the dark hooded figure.

That wasn't the first time I encountered the dark hooded figure, but after this event I was unable to see the future - hell, I couldn't even have a lucid dream for a long time afterwards and few and far in between them.

I think the dark hooded figure is the gatekeeper to the secrets of dreaming. People who don't lucid dream generally don't get sleep paralysis. And thinking back I've only gotten sleep paralysis when I've tried to do extremely grand things in my dreams.

A magicent as you explain it probably can't exist as far to my knowledge.

A dream of the psychological is in some regards very much malleable to the last inch of the dream scenario. That is the nature of Subconscious. I think we are explaining dreams in general and every dream is a Magicant moment if we define it this way.

I'd say the 'entity' in sleep paralysis. Is the most limiting factor in the dream. It serves to limit.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

A magicent as you explain it probably can't exist as far to my knowledge.

A dream of the psychological is in some regards very much malleable to the last inch of the dream scenario. That is the nature of Subconscious. I think we are explaining dreams in general and every dream is a Magicant moment if we define it this way.

I disagree. A dream of your subconscious would differ from a dream you consciously created or altered. Some people seek enlightenment through dreaming. Albert Einstein used to do thought experiments.

The discovery of the Schumann resonances has lead to some interesting theories as well. Though, even here at dreamviews people are sceptical of shared dreaming. Some things you have to experience yourself.

Originally Posted by Dthoughts

I'd say the 'entity' in sleep paralysis. Is the most limiting factor in the dream. It serves to limit.

I encourage you to try to do one of the following in your next lucid dream:
1) Call your conscience and talk on be phone.
2)Try to see a future event.
3) Try to manipulate the flow of time in your dream.
4) Create a reoccurring dream character.

Originally Posted by Kixerus

I have read many stories, but I am a critical thinker.
I don't just blindly believe things, I test them out to verify them.

Had I not experienced lucid dreaming myself I wouldn't have believed it. It is a little discouraging that most lucid dreamers are only concerned with having dream sex. Very few people seek the truth. You're probably skeptical because you haven't experienced it yourself, I encourage you to push your lucid dreams to their limit and see what you experience.

I call it Magicant because I cannot think of anything else to call it. The name suits it though as it is similar to the Magicant found in Earthbound (Mother 2) conceptually.

I am not skeptical, I experienced it. I was wondering why you picked such name and I noticed you talking about hooded figures in sleep paralysis so I thought you don't know why they appear and etc. Trust me I pushed my dreams to the limit and far beyond it.

I think dreaming of energy is really interesting. I suspect it becomes very real and abstract or non-ordinary quite quickly. And it's not malleable like a normal dream.