Entering a VR without lucid dream so that you can do it even if you are not sleepy

**Hormoz** · 02-02-2017 04:12 PM

Hello.
I think I heard of some people that you can enter some kind of virtual world without lucid dreaming like you create a realm and enter it.
There is a difference between imagining being in something and really being in it but I think those people claimed that they really enter it.
Can you do that by day dreaming, if so how?
If that's possible does anyone know how to do this?

**kadie** · 02-05-2017 07:09 AM

I don't know about all your questions, but I can enter a lucid dream from a detailed day dream. I call it dream seeding. Basically I use a lot of creative visualization with a storyline and end up falling asleep and continuing with a lucid dream based off of my daydream theme.

**Chrabban** · 02-07-2017 01:20 PM

Kadie: kan you whenever you want in the day sit down and start daydreaming and if you want turn it into a LD? or do you mean that you just do a very detailed daydream that you then pick up when you go to sleep ?

**kadie** · 02-07-2017 02:21 PM

^ I have only tried it at night/ bedtime. I think I could do it at other times if I meditated first.
As an example, for some of the games that were played here in the past participants would be asked to go to a bar on the moon and take the moon bus to get there. So I begin to visualize a yellow bus with people climbing aboard. Use lots of details. I would associate certain people on the bus with people here from dream views so that later, when sleeping, I would recognize them.
I remember the last time I tried it, I never made it to the moon in LD, but ended up in a forrest with the people from the bus in a full but brief lucid dream.

**Hormoz** · 02-07-2017 05:09 PM

My question was that can you enter some kind of thing like a lucid dream even when you are not sleepy (like in day for most people), so that you can enter some kind of thing like a lucid dream at anytime?
I asked Sensei about that:

Originally Posted by Sensei

With my abilities I can cancel out the feelings and noises and distractions, but it takes a long time, about an hour of senses visualizing. It feels like it is getting shorter though, I wonder if I could get to a point in the future that I could just sit down and WILD within a second.

**NickSeagull** · 02-11-2017 10:59 PM

Woah, I really would like to be able to do this. I'd love to be able to "anti-meditate", focusing on just my inner visualizations, leaving the senses apart. The thing is that when I'm meditating, I'm fully aware of my body and senses and I cannot let go. Even worse, that happens to me a lot during WILD.