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      Quote Originally Posted by LighrkVader View Post
      I know the feeling of receiving that unlimited amount of information at once. I did that while awake once. After the worst experience of my life, a very painful showdown with the dark parts of my psyche, I went into bliss. Being the good guy that I am I happily told my friend and a crowd of my new found disciples all the secrets of the universe. Unluckily I was speaking in tongues. Pro-tip. If you're drunk and buying weed from shady strangers on the street in Budapest... start by smoking just a little bit, and see what happens.. Especially if you don't know your way home. Some laced substances take a while to hit... and you might spend the night flat on the ground with a crowd of worried onlookers.


      Anyway it was a transformative experience. But those states are so different from everyday consciousness that any memories that are made are unaccesible. Typical for dissociative drugs. But from what I know it is also the case when similar states are induced through more natural means.
      That doesn't sound like something a disciple would even do. But... lol

      I'm glad you turned out okay though.
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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      Sorry RealityShifter haha. I think it's wrapped up nicely now anyways.

      You have a perfectly awesome perspective DawnEye, I don't disagree with anything you said there.


      RealityShifter. You sound a lot like a Starseed. If you've never heard of that before, Google "Starseed signs" and see if it fits you.
      Hmm maybe you are onto something there. Many years ago I searched info on indigo childrens, because somebody mention that I look like one, but I doesn't know there are other types. The only thing I can say is that, all my life there is a feeling that I am forgetting an important memory of myself. I always have two questions to myself since I was little:
      1) Who am I?
      2)What am I?
      Now I am starting to think that the answers are in 'me' within me all this time.

      I am translating the next one now.

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      I could be wrong here, but I believe most Indigo children are technically Starseeds. Basically, souls who have lived out lives on other planets.

      But yeah, you should try find out what your "origins" are. Are you from The Pleiades? Sirius? Andromeda? Something else? A mixture of two? You can Google "starseed origins" and they will help you find your most likely origin. You might even notice things from your dreams which match up to a specific star system.
      For me, I'm either a Crystal child or a Rainbow child. And I'm not sure what my origins are, but The Pleiades resonates very strongly with me, so it's likely that.

      1) Who are you? You are whatever you make of yourself.
      2) What are you? A multi-dimensional being. You could also say you are One with everything. People don't realize this, but each of us IS God incarnate. Starseed is zoomed in a little bit from there. Then your "person", Mr. RealityShifter, is zoomed in even further. When you think of yourself as just a person, that's when it feels like you're in a cage.


      I look forward to your next translated experience.

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      Once again, the same thing happened. I was in a similar version of our apartment. I was in the corridor to the living room. I was looking around as I headed for the living room that shone. Outside it was dark, and the lamp on the terrace was also shining. It was a bit different than in our living room, at this moment someone called at the door. I went to the door, to my surprise, my father, my mother and my aunt turned out to be for my surprise. Since I knew they were not my parents, I did not pay any attention to them and I went back to the living room again.

      I always wanted to read a book in a sleeping state. I caught the first book that saw my eyes from the desk and opened it, but at that moment I felt that scary thing I felt the first time (in July). I turned my head to the right to see the most dreadful thing I've ever seen. Apparently the thing had waited for me to come up here sooner or later. Suddenly as if my brain started working at a fast pace. I thought he knew much more than I did about what was happening to me. That was why he had hidden his presence so I did not feel it early. It is difficult to describe in words what it looks like. It was like a shadow or a dark smoke. There was no distinct mouth or eyes. But because I could not only see it, but also feel it in this state. (I had already unlocked my third eye in 'July', which he sense more than he could see.) When I tried to sense his energy level, it was like I looked at a dark abyss and like the abyss stare at me. Also, his energy had a cold feeling full of anger and hatred.(I think it was a soul eater) My body freeze I could not even blink with my eyes. At that moment, he wrapped the lamp on the terrace with his body and then I notice that it did not leave a shadow behind it, nor did the light reflect on it.(the perfect black)

      Suddenly the bulb began to blink, then I realized that it was eating light (energy) and the same fate of the bulb was waiting for me. I tried to use my return technique, but when I opened my eyes I was still there. Obviously from the shock or his influence, I could not go back. I had fallen to the ground beside the table, turned back as I saw my parents stare at me, why I am on the ground with this scared expression on my face. Apparently they did not see it. I turned back to him and saw the lamp go out, and it rushed for me. At this point, it seemed as if time stopped or I just thought so fast. At this final moment, I thought of my best friend (my cat) who would be waiting for me to come back. His shadow was only a few millimeters from my eye when I tried for the last time to come back. I was successful but it was by a hair's breadth. I woke up in bed, but obviously the connection was not yet completely broken because I heard their horrible screams and felt his(my other me) pain. He had killed them out of rage because I had slipped away from him, once more.

      Note: The next day I was wondering what would happen if he had caught me. I got an answer faster than I thought. I switched on the TV to see if they showed anything interesting. The TV powered on discovery channel (no one at home does not watch it<spooky>). In moment that they were broadcasting a medical show about people in awake coma. How their bodies were here, but their souls were gone (just an empty shell). So the answer to my question was clear and eloquent.

      p.s. I still feel somehow responsible for their 'death'(this is worse than dead, there souls were devoured) In result I get a PTSD and several Phobias. If I had not gone there, they would still be alive.
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      Ok there's two distinct things that could be going on there.

      1) A dark entity, just as you described it.

      OR

      2) Projections from your own consciousness. Some astral projectors talk about the "etheric realm", which is the first layer into the astrals. In this layer, your subconscious can take over and create "thoughtforms".
      Other people describe this phenomenon as simply an overlap into one's own dreaming mind.
      But basically, a thoughtform can be created. It could be nothing, but your mind creates fear, and the fear causes the thoughtform to grow and grow. Then it's just a self-fulfilling cycle of fear.
      Many people have been scared shitless by their own thoughtforms. They think it is real so it can actually scar them for life if they don't come to terms with it.


      p.s. I still feel somehow responsible for their 'death'(this is worse than dead, there souls were devoured) In result I get a PTSD and several Phobias. If I had not gone there, they would still be alive.
      Who died?

      By the way, a dark entity cannot devour a soul. Yes you get energy vampires, but the worst they can do is drain you of your energy or make you feel fear. A soul is an eternal being of light. The only way a soul can be truly disappeared is by merging with Source. (merging with God)
      I've heard a lot of talk about souls which get lost or even trapped. But never destroyed.

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      2) Projections from your own consciousness. Some astral projectors talk about the "etheric realm", which is the first layer into the astrals. In this layer, your subconscious can take over and create "thoughtforms".
      Other people describe this phenomenon as simply an overlap into one's own dreaming mind.
      But basically, a thoughtform can be created. It could be nothing, but your mind creates fear, and the fear causes the thoughtform to grow and grow. Then it's just a self-fulfilling cycle of fear.
      Many people have been scared shitless by their own thoughtforms. They think it is real so it can actually scar them for life if they don't come to terms with it.
      You can scratch that. Your first choice is right!

      Who died?
      My parallel parents and my parallel me. Are you reading between the lines?

      By the way, a dark entity cannot devour a soul. Yes you get energy vampires, but the worst they can do is drain you of your energy or make you feel fear. A soul is an eternal being of light. The only way a soul can be truly disappeared is by merging with Source. (merging with God)
      I've heard a lot of talk about souls which get lost or even trapped. But never destroyed.
      By which source you are getting this. How are you sure what you read across the net is true! This is unmarked territory. Energy Vampires If you believe in GOD then why you not believe in angels, demons and other entities. Next time you encounter demon or dark entity in OOBE please don't send him love thoughts

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      Ok, fair enough, sometimes I don't know when to shut up.
      My source was my intuition, on that one, which could very well be wrong.

      Ohh ok, parallel you and parallel parents, got ya.

      I'm afraid this is where my usefulness runs out.

      I can only imagine how difficult this must have been.
      All I can say is, stop blaming yourself. I don't want to say anything else because there's too many angles here. My head is in a mess between all the different angles, and I don't think I could communicate them if I tried. I simply don't have enough solid knowledge in this field. I wish I had experience so I could help you.

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      RealityShifter, I hope you are feeling better now than you did before. However, when I read that experience you had, it reminded me of a lucid dream where I confronted a similar character. He was all shadow, able to manipulate the setting and brought fear to the other characters he seemed to have control over due to fear. However, I was able to confront him face to face and even though I was scared/jabbed in the stomach, he didn't pop up anymore after that dream. You actually remind me of the boy in my dream that was afraid of the entity. I tried to comfort him and show him he was safe but i wasn't sure if he believed me and he disappeared after a bit. Anyways, forget about the boy, im just hoping that you find our advice helpful.

      In addition, the way i see it, if your not trying to contact dark entities, you should be fine. I feel like that moment where you turned on the discovery channel was coincidence too. I know you could make some connection to it but the connection you made with it seems misplaced because I don't see proof that the parents were real.

      How do you know those parents you saw were real? You didn't question them or test them? Also, I think the shadow attacked them because it was so to speak, playing the part of the monster.

      Is there anything other than feeling, that convinced you the shadow was a entity? What did you come up with, that determined for that experience, it was real? You mostly went by feeling and what you saw. Some of my nightmarish characters seemed pretty convincing to be entities but they turned out to not be. Others I ended up forgetting after confronting them.

      Nonetheless, you might still be thinking what's my point? My point is in order to not let anxiety get the best of you and for you to see your experiences in a clear light, don't just go by feeling or assume something right away. Test your predictions with valid data in mind. Even see if the characters you encounter can provide valid data if thats what you wanna try.

      Furthermore, I've had a conversation with windhover before about whether there is an entity that can destroy energy. Science says no but perhaps somewhere far in the universe there is something that can. I don't know but in obe/dreams, that is unlikely. If demons exist though, and they wanted to hurt you, they would probably go for your physical body. But like I said before, if your not trying to communicate with them you should be fine.

      Oh and I think the thing about sending love helps to verify these types of characters. Like how dream characters are easily changed by love. If demons do exist I doubt they would be easily changed from a stranger's love too. However, there's nothing wrong with treating others kindly and in a loving/respectful way while being cautious. Thinking about it in a symbolic way, It's not like you would approach a lion on foot. You'd know to maintain your distance and you'd take all necessary precautions. Like staying on the vehicle and being cognizant of any warning calls, etc.
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      slash112,DawnEye11 I will not drive you to abandon your beliefs and I will not force you believe me.
      To tell you the truth at the time of this dream, I also wondered if it was just a dream or something more. That's why I wanted to give me more information and I asked my guide to show me proof of this.

      But first let me tell you my Theory in more details.
      To slip through the veil of dimensions\realms, I need the right amount of energy at the right time. Every one of them happen in "3am", and I can do that only once a month. If you browse a little the net, you are gonna find this:
      Between 3am and 4am (some articles on the web today say 2am to 4am) in the morning, the veil between the spiritual realm and our realm is the thinnest
      I am leaving my body and slip through the veil and poses my parallel me. I am using him as a medium of the same quality, because we are the same. If he die the connection cannot be established anymore.
      If I follow slash112 theory about starseeds and and put it into mine. The puzzle complete itself.
      The guide is none other than me.(my multidimensional me.) You can say that I had that feeling all along. That also explain why the dark entity wanted me so much, if he had taken my energy, he could get out of his eternal prison. That is why the entity on the road was so interested in me as well.

      And remember I still have a trump card in my pocket. Next time "The Awakening" aka The Next Level!


      p.s. slash112 I see the energy vampires do exist, but they are actually humans. You can see them here : "Energy Vampires. A few insights in the book “Celestine Prophecy” talk about the flow of energy between people." There is a movie with the same name too.

      p.s.(2) hop on
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      Quote Originally Posted by RealityShifter View Post
      hop on
      ... I'm still waiting on that "Next Level" post, RealityShifter!
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      You'd be surprised at my lack of actual beliefs btw. I try not to subscribe to beliefs. My mind is wide open tho.

      And btw I know that the term "Energy Vampire" is mostly used for humans, but I was simply referring to the nature of dark entities to drain you of your energy. I just looked it up to confirm this, and apparently this "energy draining" thing is like, the one thing all dark entities have in common.

      Also, I'm searching for any evidence that dark entities can kill a person, I am finding none. Nor can I find anything about souls getting sucked out.

      This doesn't mean that you weren't traveling to parallel worlds and was followed by a dark entity. But I would bet 1000 that when you thought they were dying, that was the dark entity fucking with your head. Even when you asked for an answer and received the thing about the coma, that could have easily been the dark entity which led you to that. Many dark entities are masterminds of deception.

      Dark entities want nothing more than to put you in a state of fear or low vibration, or separated from Oneness with God/the universe. And it sounds like he was very successful.

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      To me this is more about understanding than belief. I want to understand why you see it the way you do. That way there won't be confusion and we can help you. I don't have much of anything to add after Slash's post other than a few questions.

      1) By parallel you do you mean your higher self?

      2)What do you mean by the entity's eternal prison?

      I also would like to read Sageous's thoughts on your experience. : ) Hopefully we reach the next level soon.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DawnEye11 View Post
      1) By parallel you do you mean your higher self?
      He OBE'd to a parallel world.
      Think about time being the 4th dimension and possibilities being the 5th. Every decision you make creates a fork in the road. There are infinite roads/rivers/timelines in 5D space. You can OBE to any one of them, so you can actually check out your own life in alternate realities. Basically, worlds in which things are slightly different.

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      Thx for answering my question Slash. Kind of reminds me of the anime Noein. I can't think of a better example that shows that.
      Had to look it up a bit to remember more about it but the title basically says it all. It's Noein "to your other self". If your curious enough you could Google it for a summary.
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      And now when the suspense is over the roof. I have to tell you that everything was a bad fat lie ................. hahaha you felt for it. I always wanted to crack that joke




      But now let's get serious.

      Dec 2011

      The Awakening

      For a long time after the last event, I kept wondering whether everything that I have been experienced so far is true or not, but this time as well the answer wasn't too late.

      One evening at 6 o'clock around Christmas, grandfather, my brother and his son (Ivo) came to
      visit. I felt tired and so I decided to take a nap. Of course my cat also had such an idea. As I fell asleep suddenly I woke up. I was upright and wondered why I got up. Somehow I felt lighter than usual. I turned to the bed and got a shocked expression. I was still on the bed, sleeping, and the cat was sleeping beside me. Then I realized what it was about, I was out of my body. The feeling was very strange to see yourself from the sides.

      Apparently it took a little more time for my mind to wake up completely. The feeling was amazing. Suddenly I began to hear a lot of noises and see audio waves, microwaves, radio waves as small threads of light. There was so much light all around me. I was looking around and thought about how much information there is around us (it's hard to describe in words). But I did not perceive it simply as a noise but rather understand it directly (perhaps because my mind was working at a higher frequency of perception) It was strange to hear millions of voices at once and understand them(to my surprise i understood all the languages as well).

      My vision also changed, I could see people at a great distance(like 2-3 km/miles) like energy waves(that is really hard to explain), and if I were focusing on one of them, I could zoom in to them and hear exactly what they were talking about. I could feel energy streams all around me(like the earth pulse).

      Suddenly, as if my subconscious whispered something in my mind, "open the door." I said aloud "open" and a door on my left side appeared on the wall. I slowly opened it and went inside, there were stairs and a corridor ahead. Then I turned left and before me appeared something like an elongated but narrow room. There was a window, a sofa, a desk with a chair and a door further in. I looked at the window, and through it was the living room. I was about a meter above the living room. It was at this very moment that Ivo was running around and wanted something, and Grandpa wanted to give him a present. It was very loud and lively. I wanted peace, so I said 'quiet' and run my finger across the glass. The window blurred and the sound vanished completely.

      The whole room and everything in it was made of pure white crystal. I decided to lie down on the couch, which seemed extremely uncomfortable because of the straight crystal edges. But when I lay down my ideas turned upside down, it was the most comfortable sofa I had lay on. Interestingly, the crystal took the shape of the my body (smart crystal). If I had stayed a little longer, I would probably have fallen asleep. For a moment I had the feeling that I had been many times in this place.

      I got to look at the rest of the room. There were lots of scattered sheets of paper and books on my desk that I did not pay much attention to (it was a mistake, maybe they contained important information about me). My attention took the other door in the room. At first glance it seemed perfectly normal. I opened it, and another door appeared behind her. The second door was white, slightly scratched with an old handle like a room in an apartment. I opened it carefully, and there was an ordinary room behind it. It looked like a bedroom, and a cat was standing on the bed. I showed my head in the room to look at her better, the cat sharpened her ears and her eyes as if
      she had seen a ghost. I closed the door and then I knew what was going on. The first door led to another space, and the second door was an entrance. I closed the two doors and decided to test this theory. I thought about another space, and I remembered the thing from last time unintentionally. I opened the first door and behind it a black 'metal'(I say metal but it was some unknown material which just looked metallic) door, all covered in letters. There were a large number of locks, padlocks and chains. Touching the door, I sensed an ominous feeling, but he/it had also felt me. Then I heard a voice directly in my head, "Release Me", its energy was impressive even behind the door. I told him that even if I wanted to release him, I could not do it. But he said to look at my pockets, then I felt something rumbling in my right pocket. I reached into my pocket and pulled out keys on a chain. They were made of the same material as the door and were as numerous as the locks. They were black handmade (antique) and on each key there was a letter (like the door). Then I understood why he so much wanted me, because I only had the skills to release him.

      If he had caught me then he would be free now. I told him I would not release him because he was evil. Then he got angry and tried to force me to open it. I used all my available power to reject it from my mind by closing the outer door and quickly thinking of another space whatever it was. At the last moment, I felt the enormous rage that I was slipping away from him for the third time (it cursed me). I opened the door again, and a simple pink door appeared behind her. The bad energy disappeared. I had used too much of my strength, my legs were shaking, and my world was spinning. I was on the verge of fainting, I had to quickly get to my body. Standing on the wall, I came out of this space back into my room. Then I thought about how I had to go back to my body. I did not have much time, so I tried the classic way. I jumped and dived in it. It worked because I woke up immediately. Then I realized that all that I have experienced is true. That was the proof I was looking for.

      Note1: My spirit body was an after image of my physical body.

      Note2: The Crystal room was my personal interdimensional space. It was in a multi-dimensional bubble between all spaces / realities.

      Note3: Uhhh I am beaten up, must rest. It was really hard to put it in words.
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      Wow that was a good read.

      If these were recent stories, I would tell you to stop focusing on dark entities and start looking for light beings.
      The universe is filled with beings who just want to play, and also beings who want to help/guide. But you gotta raise your vibration to meet them. Rise out of fearful thinking and into love.

      Your stories are like reading a novel, I'm hooked! I just wanna know what happens next!

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      Lol I would explode if everything you wrote was a lie. Either way that must have been exciting. Especially the part where you found a special room for yourself.
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      Quote Originally Posted by DawnEye11
      RealityShifter, I hope you are feeling better now than you did before. However, when I read that experience you had, it reminded me of a lucid dream where I confronted a similar character. He was all shadow, able to manipulate the setting and brought fear to the other characters he seemed to have control over due to fear. However, I was able to confront him face to face and even though I was scared/jabbed in the stomach, he didn't pop up anymore after that dream. You actually remind me of the boy in my dream that was afraid of the entity. I tried to comfort him and show him he was safe but i wasn't sure if he believed me and he disappeared after a bit. Anyways, forget about the boy, im just hoping that you find our advice helpful.

      In addition, the way i see it, if your not trying to contact dark entities, you should be fine. I feel like that moment where you turned on the discovery channel was coincidence too. I know you could make some connection to it but the connection you made with it seems misplaced because I don't see proof that the parents were real.

      How do you know those parents you saw were real? You didn't question them or test them? Also, I think the shadow attacked them because it was so to speak, playing the part of the monster.

      Is there anything other than feeling, that convinced you the shadow was a entity? What did you come up with, that determined for that experience, it was real? You mostly went by feeling and what you saw. Some of my nightmarish characters seemed pretty convincing to be entities but they turned out to not be. Others I ended up forgetting after confronting them.

      Nonetheless, you might still be thinking what's my point? My point is in order to not let anxiety get the best of you and for you to see your experiences in a clear light, don't just go by feeling or assume something right away. Test your predictions with valid data in mind. Even see if the characters you encounter can provide valid data if thats what you wanna try.

      Furthermore, I've had a conversation with windhover before about whether there is an entity that can destroy energy. Science says no but perhaps somewhere far in the universe there is something that can. I don't know but in obe/dreams, that is unlikely. If demons exist though, and they wanted to hurt you, they would probably go for your physical body. But like I said before, if your not trying to communicate with them you should be fine.

      Oh and I think the thing about sending love helps to verify these types of characters. Like how dream characters are easily changed by love. If demons do exist I doubt they would be easily changed from a stranger's love too. However, there's nothing wrong with treating others kindly and in a loving/respectful way while being cautious. Thinking about it in a symbolic way, It's not like you would approach a lion on foot. You'd know to maintain your distance and you'd take all necessary precautions. Like staying on the vehicle and being cognizant of any warning calls, etc.

      Quote Originally Posted by slash112
      You'd be surprised at my lack of actual beliefs btw. I try not to subscribe to beliefs. My mind is wide open tho.

      And btw I know that the term "Energy Vampire" is mostly used for humans, but I was simply referring to the nature of dark entities to drain you of your energy. I just looked it up to confirm this, and apparently this "energy draining" thing is like, the one thing all dark entities have in common.

      Also, I'm searching for any evidence that dark entities can kill a person, I am finding none. Nor can I find anything about souls getting sucked out.

      This doesn't mean that you weren't traveling to parallel worlds and was followed by a dark entity. But I would bet 1000 that when you thought they were dying, that was the dark entity fucking with your head. Even when you asked for an answer and received the thing about the coma, that could have easily been the dark entity which led you to that. Many dark entities are masterminds of deception.

      Dark entities want nothing more than to put you in a state of fear or low vibration, or separated from Oneness with God/the universe. And it sounds like he was very successful.
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      Yeah but I still don't get why you thought your parallel parents were real. I don't feel like asking more questions about that though . This is an experience you believe mostly because what you saw and felt so i can't really say much. However, It does seem entertaining and I'm curious to see what experience you post now. How have your experiences been recently?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ... I'm still waiting on that "Next Level" post, RealityShifter!
      The waiting is over

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      Quote Originally Posted by RealityShifter View Post
      Quote Originally Posted by Sageous View Post
      ... I'm still waiting on that "Next Level" post, RealityShifter!

      The waiting is over
      Is it?

      Forgive me, but I carefully read your last post several times and, aside from some excellent dream imagery and a very well crafted accounting of it all, I just wasn't seeing anything along the lines of an awakening.

      It was all very interesting, but do you truly feel that you are a different person now, that you have somehow transcended the being you were before you started that nap, or perhaps that you've discovered the "True You" that's been hiding somewhere deep in your psyche? If so, then why? What in the dream made you feel that way?

      Also, but less important:

      What in the dream is still with you in waking life? For instance, do you still hear a million voices, and understand all their languages? Do you still see the many forms of energy ranging through your waking-life surroundings?... if not, have you considered that you may have just been dreaming about all that stuff, and not directly experiencing it?

      Enlightenment -- the final "next step" of an awakening -- literally means (to me, anyway) casting the light of your awareness upon the shadows that normally confine it (including the shadows of your own ego and expectations), so why would you even have had an encounter with that evil being, much less be concerned about it being free? Shouldn't the light of your awareness have made such a shadow-borne being meaningless?

      Finally, your last notes had me puzzled: in note 1, you said, "My spirit body was an after image of my physical body," but shouldn't that be the other way around? Did I lose something in translation? In note 2 you said, "The Crystal room was my personal interdimensional space. It was in a multi-dimensional bubble between all spaces / realities," what made you decide that was the case, and that this room wasn't just another dream image?

      Please be assured that I ask these things with all due respect, and am not trying to be negative or to troll you; I am honestly curious about how you see this experience as an awakening. You don't have to respond to me, I'll understand, but I hope you will at least consider the questions.

      And remember, you're the one who asked me to hop on!


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      EDIT: nevermind

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      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      EDIT: nevermind

      What did you change your mind about? Sorry, just curious.
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      Ach I was just talking about how an OBE can be a potential first step in a genuine awakening. Experiencing "I am not the body" can be an awareness-shifting thing.

      I just didn't like the way I said it. Better this time.

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      ^^ But I just finished a response to your other post! I think what I wrote still works, though; so, with a little editing::

      Quote Originally Posted by slash112 View Post
      Ach I was just talking about how an OBE can be a potential first step in a genuine awakening. Experiencing "I am not the body" can be an awareness-shifting thing.
      Good point, but...

      I tend to hold a very different viewpoint on this, one that wonders if OBE's are actually a surrender to the personal importance you give your body.

      This might sound odd, and I know I'm an outlier on this, but to me floating around outside your body seems to indicate an attachment to your physical form, an acknowledgement of its importance, and not an escape from it (sort of the opposite of an "I am not the body" epiphany, I think). Also, to me, all dreams are effectively OBE's, since you are perceptually never in your physical body during a dream (and if you think you are, well, then you're not lucid!). On top of all that, I tend to also be in the camp that assumes that most (if not all) OBE's are "just" dreams, and the imagery of seeing your body is merely dream imagery based on expectation.

      And, should you ask, I did experiment with OBE's a long time ago, and, though I had many experiences similar to the one RealityShifter described, I never found them very helpful in my search for the next level... in fact I kind of found them a little boring and fairly useless, since, try as I might, I could never prove to myself that I was physically out of my body and not just dreaming it (and that ought to be easy to prove, right?). But all that personal stuff aside:

      So sure, it could be a good first step, provided RealityShifter focuses on it as one, keeps an open mind about the possibility that it might have all been "just" a dream -- albeit a very cool dream filled with awesome imagery that could imply great potential--- then he might be able to use the imagery to move himself toward his awakening next time (that's why I asked him all those annoying questions, BTW). If he can consider the possibility that this experience was not an end in itself, it might be filled with potential for awakening.

      [Apologies in advance for talking about you like this, RealityShifter; I swear that no passive-aggression was meant!]
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