Thread: Mind Altering Substances

anyone here ever done peyote?

Wow, Aquanina, 30 hours? Bet you weren't expecting that. I'd love to hear the details if you'd care to send them to me.

Interesting that the chemichal structures of LSD, LSA (morning glory), and DMT are almost identical. I've yet to try DMT. Reed canary grass grows everywhere, but the extraction is a little too hardcore for me.

I once saw a news special on Datura, how all the kids were doing it. They showed two kids high on it in the police station, talking to people who weren't there, combing thier hair with imaginary combs. One of them pulled out an imaginary pack of smokes, gave one to his buddy who WASNT LOOKING, lit it with an imaginary lighter, then lit his buddie's smoke, like they were sharing the same halucination. If it they were acting, they were master mimes.

Datura causes powerfull halucinations and can last up to 48 hours. BUt it's actually a neuro toxin, not a drug. Also know as deadly nightshade or belladona.

No shit...after 8 hours I was like...haha ok...this is awesome but I'm ready to come down now damnit lol. I took it at 8pm and was tripping so hard all night. I smoked alot of amazing weed too which made the trip that much more awesome/intense but I was just hoping it would make me tired and go to sleep but it didn't lol. I think I finally passed out around 5am and then I woke up at 6am like tripping my ass off again lol. It was nuts but so fun. And right now I'm too tired/out of it to write up a proper trip report...but once I do I'll send it to you.

It's strange...I don't even want to say that I was tripping though...because honestly it felt exactly like pure MDMA (ecstasy, molly, etc.) in that everything felt AMAZING...like 100 times better than orgasm. But it also had the "giggle fits" that you get with shrooms...and everything was breathing and moving a bit like shrooms but I didn't have really intense hallucinations or open eye visuals or anything. Haha I did sooo many awesome and fun things all night. Each thing I did was cooler than the next...it was like shocking my sense, I never ceased to be amazed by everything I did. I felt like a 3 year old. Hehe...so much fun.

Anyways...I'll try to write up a proper report tomorrow when my head gets screwed back on straighter.

Originally Posted by delta

all you mutha fuckin hard drug users can mutha fuckin die because alcohol and weed is the hardest you should go and no more, so fuck cancer sticks and all that other shit that kills you
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Since you didn't use punctuation, your sentence looked like it was saying this... "All you mutha fuckin hard drug users can mutha fuckin die because alcohol and weed is the hardest. You should go and no more (another way of saying "can muth fuckin die"), so fuck cancer sticks and all that other shit that kills you." Alcohol is "shit that kills you", so I didn't assume you were saying alcohol is okay. Not using punctuation opens posts up to multiple interpretations.

SKA, be very careful when using acid, out of 1000 hits of street acid tested last year, only 20 contained pure LSD. For the most part street acid contains phenethylamines and piperazines, but it can be laced with strictnine and other toxic things. I have used street acid over 500 times and the effects are always different, some acid gave me bad effects, but I was young and kept doing it and still have side effects to this day, mostly pain in my spine. I only did pure lsd a handfull of times and you will know the difference because lsd is way more visual than anything else, if you do not have unbelievable visuals then its not lsd. I am not gonna say to never do it, but just be patient and try a small amount first, and work your way up, it might have good effects, but if it has any negative effects than be patient and wait for some good shit.

Damn...I just saw this topic.....are you all junkies?.....It's kinda creepy....but I guess I will have to try some good stuff once I'm out of my studies....

You call it creepy and then say that you'll have to try some "good stuff" once you're done with school. Gotta love judgmental hypocritical people.

And no, I'm not a "junkie" ...haha. Actually I'm pretty far from it. People do different drugs for different reasons. Mine are only about self exploration, growth, enlightenment, awareness...etc. Not just to "get messed up" or whatever. So judge if you want...but I know things you can't even begin to imagine.

Yeah. Junkies are those who live for the high.
I've been there.

You can do drugs without being a junkie.

I remember datura. Actually, straight datura just gave me a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE headache. One of the worst I've ever had.
Angel's Trumpet on the other hand was a nice trip. I didn't do a whole lot, so I wasn't smoking imaginary cigarettes or anything. lol
It was a nice trip. Unfortunately, it gave me the worst cotton mouth I have ever ever had! It was so bad that even AS I was drinking water, I still felt like I had a dry mouth. I would hold the water in my mouth, and still feel cotton mouth. Then, after drinking tons and tons of water, I COULDn't PEE!!
I guess it has something to do with the fact that it's a neurotoxin.
Anyway, that sensation alone was the only bad thing that happened, but it was so strong that I can't stand to do it again.

LSD

yes.

Personally , I don't see why street LSD would be laced with anything. It's strong enough on it's own, psychotropically active with only 15 miligrams.

THere just isn't enough of anything on a peice of blotter to have negative side effects. Anything you buy from Mcdonalds is bound to contain more harmfull chemicals than any acid you're likely to find.

And for those who clain LSD is an evil chemichal, it's acually derived from the fungus Ergot, which grows on rye. I remember in high school, people used to say it was made from Rat Poison.

Although I can't help wonder if this thread had somethign to do with attracting the rude posters that showed up this week.

I'm not sure how this would attract rude posters, although I have seen a few this week. They have gotten on my nerves to the point where I have lost my patience with some of them.

Originally Posted by The

Personally , I don't see why street LSD would be laced with anything. It's strong enough on it's own, psychotropically active with only 15 miligrams.

THere just isn't enough of anything on a peice of blotter to have negative side effects. Anything you buy from Mcdonalds is bound to contain more harmfull chemicals than any acid you're likely to find.

And for those who clain LSD is an evil chemichal, it's acually derived from the fungus Ergot, which grows on rye. I remember in high school, people used to say it was made from Rat Poison.

Although I can't help wonder if this thread had somethign to do with attracting the rude posters that showed up this week.
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I completely agree with you on the McDonalds thing.

But, if you were to go walking in the woods, find some shrooms, and eat them, they would work. But although LSD comes from a natural fungus, it's chem. altered, therefore not 100% natural.

I agree.
Cocaine comes from the Coca plant. Completely natural?
Methamphetamine comes from the ephedra plant, and is chemically broken down to its simplest form; thus, the prefix 'Meth'.
You know what else is natural?
Dog shit.

I think this 'natural' argument is over-rated. Do what drugs you feel like doing. No one should ever judge you on that. But they will, because its not 'natural'.

Originally Posted by sloth

I agree.
Cocaine comes from the Coca plant. Completely natural?
Methamphetamine comes from the ephedra plant, and is chemically broken down to its simplest form; thus, the prefix 'Meth'.
You know what else is natural?
Dog shit.

I think this 'natural' argument is over-rated. Do what drugs you feel like doing. No one should ever judge you on that. But they will, because its not 'natural'.
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Hmm... I'm not sure I entirely agree with you.

Saying that Meth comes from the ephedra plant, and is therefore, natural, is true. However, there are things that you must do to it to alter it in a way that ISN'T natural.

If I came up to you with an Amanita Phalloids (Death Cap) and said "Eat it, it's natural!" would you eat it? No, because there are things that aren't meant to be eaten. IMHO, I think that things like Magic Mushrooms were designed by God to allow you to open up new parts of your mind, because there are no known bad effects from them. Things like the Ephedra plant, for instance, have side effects such as:

"irritability, nervousness, dizziness, trembling, headache, insomnia, profuse perspiration, dehydration, itchy scalp and skin, vomiting, hyperthermia, irregular heartbeat, seizures, heart attack, stroke, or death."

My main point? Natural doesn't always mean safe.

Here's a little excerpt from Jefferson Airplane's Earth Starch mom. I think it fit, no offense to anyone.

"You say nothing's right, but natural things
Ah you fool
Poison oak is a natural plant
Why don't you put some in your food
Natural food makes you slow and stupid and it tastes like camron
I don't care if there's chemicals in it
As long as my lettuce is crisp
Preservatives might be preserving you all
I think that's something you might have
Oh I think you might have missed it"

There really isn't any overall point to agree or disagree with me with in my previous post. I'm just pointing out that some things that are natural are not necissarily good for you, as you said. When I said that methamphetamines were natural, I was being sarcastic. In a way, my post agrees with what you are saying for the most part.

TheCusp, a hit of paper or gel acid can easily contain up to 500ug of a drug. Many drugs are very active at this quantity. Some drugs used to cut lsd are atropine, scopolamine(main component of datura), many phenethylamines and piperazines, methamphetamine, psilocin, some poisons, and more. The government put strict restrictions on several key ingredients of LSD making it very difficult for anyone to produce a substantial amount. Now dealers nearly always cut their LSD, and more and more frequently LSD is not used at all. Be extra careful if your hit tastes bitter because LSD and the better additives are tasteless.

check out http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/lsd/lsd_info8.shtml for more info.

Originally Posted by sloth

There really isn't any overall point to agree or disagree with me with in my previous post. I'm just pointing out that some things that are natural are not necissarily good for you, as you said. When I said that methamphetamines were natural, I was being sarcastic. In a way, my post agrees with what you are saying for the most part.
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Sorry, I was unsure wether you were supporting my statement or not... One thing I thought of, just recently, was that if a tiger was about to attack you, would you want it to eat you? Of course not. You would fight back any way possible (or run). Many plants and fungi are designed to do the same. But there are some that are MEANT to be eaten, such as apples or carrots... and along with these are shrooms and morning glories.

I think the reason I sound so cryptical is because I suggesting that there is no right or wrong thing to eat, or food that is 'meant' to be eaten. That would suggest that someone has sat down and decided what we should and should not eat.
Should we eat worms? They are edible. You can even drink urine without getting sick.
The same goes with drugs. Nobody is going to tell me what I should and should not do with my body, you know?

So, I am neither agreeing, nor disagreeing with the idea that we should do drugs that are 'natural'. I'm simply pointing out the idea that the whole phrase of 'natural' is nonsense.

Didn't everything come from the earth? If it didn't, it came from a meteor or something. And shoot.. I'd eat pieces of a meteor just so I could say that I had done it!

Hey, guys! I just ate a meteor! Cool, huh!?

I would like to add, that if you have ever tried marijuana that was not genetically engineered or specifically bred, or manipulated by man in any way, you wouldn't get much of a buzz off of it.

I guess you might be right... All of the posts I've made assume that there IS a God. If there is, it wouldn't be far-fetched to say that he created everything (plants, fungi, ect.) for a purpose. If there isn't a God, well, plants are just that; plants. And basicly, sloth, everything you just said is about all there is to say. So the main point would not to only do drugs that are natural... do drugs that are SAFE.

PS: I'm not implying that the is or isn't a God, and there's really no way to find out.

I personally believe in a god.
It is also perfectly possible that he does have a certain intention for all of these plants and funguses. I really don't know these things. That's the whole point of my religious belief, after all; The idea that I don't know.
So, this isn't a belief I had. As I said, I'm just introducing the idea.

I mean, I'm all for doing some natural drugs. lol!

has anyone here tried damiana?

its a mexican herb that produces a marijuana like high along with euphoria and a sense of "The world being beautiful."

..its legal everywhere.

Sounds nice.

I wonder if that Damiana is that stuff you always see advertised on the back of High Times magazines? I've always been curious to try that stuff, just to see