Thread: Anyone else met the Night Stalkers and Dream Walkers?

Originally Posted by Songbird

yeah, maybe. But the things he talks about directly corrospond with the subject, so I thought I'd bring it up

Dude! That book is a treasure of a find for this topic. It's the first real thing that actually suggests there are organized groups of dreamwalkers or NS. And I absolutely love the concept of "Blade Warriors", if only because it sounds so much like my own dreams. Now I just gotta find a lich to fight. I really hope that lich stuff turns out to be true, I seriously want to fight one really really really bad!

And the timing is good too, and it ties into the inorganic beings as well Man of SHred just brought up. I'm totally willing to consider attacks from whatever non humans now. If fact, if that book is right, I had one last night. If only I had read the descriptions of them the night before, I might not have ran away. I usually fight anyone even in normal dreams, but this was one intense knife chucking SOB! I also now recognize many obvious ones I had previously considered normal dreams.

Identifying those helps me distinguish that what I consider NS dreams were in fact real people. Quite simply, they fell for things that anything which lived in the astral realm wouldn't care about in the least. Plus they weren't after my energy, just my attention. Our exchanges were almost playful with lots of back and forth action, kind of like tennis. Not at all like those other ones, I never would have learned jack shit from interacting with those whatever you want to call them.

That book has so many parallels with Castanada's work, yet very different in it's approach.

As the author describes dream combat in that book, a sword is a better weapon than a shotgun, and wrestling is a better weapon than a sword. Actually, he says wrestling is the ultimate weapon. And it makes sense from what I understand of dream control. You basically invoke systems or archetypes, and the simpler and more defined that archetype, the more reliable it is. Shotguns require ammo that can run out, can misfire or jam, powder can get wet. Swords can break. But if you know yourself and are confident, you are the ultimate weapon. I'm almost ashamed to admit how much I enjoy crushing skulls with my bare hands in dreams.

The author claims having a strong self-symbol is a very important part. I kind of understand the concept, but don't ask me to explain, you can read yourself. I think that might be the key to maintaining your lucidity for longer periods of time. If I understand what he's saying in the book, unless you can maintain lucidity after your dead, then you don't get to reincarnate. Only hardcore sword warriors like myself are reincarnated, the rest of you are just trash spontaneous consciousness. That's what it says in the book. You see why I like it? I could have titled my dream journal "slice and dice".

Now as the author of that book explains all that giving the reader the option to chose whatever means of combat that suits them, even though wrestling is the obvious choice. Now Castaneda only described what was happening to him in his books, he really didn't understand what was going on, but his teacher did. So when Castaneda encountered an inoganic being with his teacher Don Juan, the old shaman told him it was a life and death situation, and if he didn't wrestle it, he would die! While not actually explaining much, it effectively trains Castaneda to use the best methods.

Also, according to Castaneda, when those non human being take energy from you, you get some of their energy in return, which is essential for dreaming. But that could have just been another one of his ploys, which was really his version of dream control over reality. The problem with castaneda's work is that people underestimate how wily Don Juan was, and over estimate how much Castaneda understood. The quality of castaneda's work lies in his ability to to describe what he experienced, which give accurate portrayals of what's possible.

I guess I fell for his trick as well, because my very first lucid dream, I encountered what I thought might have been an inorganic being and wrestled it to the ground. I was always kind of embarrassed by that dream, because by freudian standards, I wrestled a naked guy to the ground. But he was a dragon first, and only morphed into a man to fit through the door. There was nothing sexual or even human about him. All I could think about was that I wanted this fucker's dark energy for dreaming. Behaved just like in the books, but then again I was in the middle of reading them.

That dream always truck me as odd, but I was willing to dismiss it as a normal dream. But after reading that Astral Combat, from what it says in there, it does make sense that one would come after me on my very first lucid. I only wrestled that guy as a last resort because he had me cornered, after many epic failures trying to deal with that dragon. Couldn't summon a sword, couldn't use magic, and then I had no time to do anything but run. Still, for a first lucid, I considered it great fun.

awesome! Someone that thinks this is awesome too!
I actually DID find a "lodge" for the practice on the net, and I e-mailed the person in charge to join.

Heres the site, its called the "abode of the lion".

http://www.nolava.org/spiritualwarri...arriorhome.htm

Originally Posted by Songbird

awesome! Someone that thinks this is awesome too!
I actually DID find a "lodge" for the practice on the net, and I e-mailed the person in charge to join.

Heres the site, its called the "abode of the lion".

http://www.nolava.org/spiritualwarri...arriorhome.htm

I really hope this place is like fight club for dreams.

Interesting cusp. I often practice a kung fu in my dreams. I always beat the shit out of DC's really easily, they are always suprised when i fight them lol.

lol, I think its more for helping people who are oppressed by entities or feeding off their energy.
But I've come across some stuff in my other thread above that has to do with creating a stadium that two people can fight in. But apparently human to human is really rare.
But if you just wanted to... that would be sweet. Maybe you could dreamwalk into someones dream and beat the shit out of them, lol.

But, then again, it would be more fun just to fight for real.

Some more combat tips from that book:

As for having a strong self symbol, the author claims that most people don't have a very good idea of what they look like from behind. We just don't see ourselves from that angle very often, and as a result, our archetype of schema of ourselves is pretty weak or undeveloped in that area. Which makes our backsides kind of fuzzy or unstable in dreams for anyone who would happen to be looking at it.

That makes your back a weak spot, and those entities like to attack from behind. Which again fits the dreams I've had. Most of the dreams I might consider attacks by entities, they've had me on the run, with my back to them.

Another interesting parallel with Castaneda's work it that in his books, he mentions that the soles of the feet are a weak spot on the energy body. And if you consider the previous explanation as what makes a weak spot on your dream body, it makes sense that the soles of the feet will be very undefined and thus a major weak spot. More so than your back. I can't think of any other spot on my body that I'm less aware of. Again Castaneda's work lacks the theory, but it contains a wealth of experience, and makes perfect sense in the context of that Astral Combat book.

To develop a strong self symbol, the author of Astral Combat recommends a mirror meditation, where you look at yourself in a mirror in a dark room with a candle or small light source. The dark and candle are only to lessen the influence of your surroundings, so that you only see yourself, and don't associate any of your surroundings or posessions with yourself.

He also claims stuff like flying isn't good, as it's a form of denial. I either didn't get that part very well, or didn't want to. I like my super powers. If denial works, then I'll be the queen if I have to.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Another interesting parallel with Castaneda's work it that in his books, he mentions that the soles of the feet are a weak spot on the energy body. And if you consider the previous explanation as what makes a weak spot on your dream body, it makes sense that the soles of the feet will be very undefined and thus a major weak spot. More so than your back. I can't think of any other spot on my body that I'm less aware of. Again Castaneda's work lacks the theory, but it contains a wealth of experience, and makes perfect sense in the context of that Astral Combat book.

According to Greek mythology, the hero Achilles was invincible, except one weak spot - his heel.

According to a fragment of an Achilleis— the Achilleid, written by Statius in the first century AD, and to no other sources, when Achilles was born Thetis tried to make him immortal by dipping him in the river Styx. However, he was left vulnerable at the part of the body she held him by, his heel. (See Achilles heel, Achilles' tendon.) It is not clear if this version of events was known earlier. In another version of this story, Thetis anointed the boy in ambrosia and put him on top of a fire to burn away the mortal parts of his body. She was interrupted by Peleus and abandoned both father and son in a rage.

Originally Posted by Phantasos

According to Greek mythology, the hero Achilles was invincible, except one weak spot - his heel.

I think the point of that story is not so much about the heel specifically, but how it lacked the proper attention, which is what made it weak to begin with.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I think the point of that story is not so much about the heel specifically, but how it lacked the proper attention, which is what made it weak to begin with.

Yes, I understand it. I just found this coincidence interesting. Seems like mythology may take very deep roots in dreams (NDs and LDs), so it is amusing when some bits of ancient knowledge match more modern one.

i think i mea a NS read my thread called Grrrr! it will explain the dream i dont want to retype bad times >.<

i have many different lucid dreams, most nites i dream and am still aware of my surroundings - i only sleep 6 hrs at a time and often have dreams where my deceased father (3/19/04) is playing an active role, and it doesn't seem like he is dead in my dream - i don't act like he's been gone, i'm just like "hey wutz up?" i also have been dreaming of deceased pets, these dreams are somewhat recurring in that the characters are there but i am in a different location or situation and am always in control, experiencing all 5 senses...

i have experienced some of the NS & DW's, and both are afraid and intimidated by me - guess that makes me a rogue or the chuck norris of dreams...when i die in my dreams, i get right back up - i have been staked throught the heart and stood right back up and the next morning i felt like somebody punched me in the chest...i had a monty-python dream where i was the black knight who lost all his limbs and when i woke up i actually checked to see if i was intact, and indeed i was but my arm had fallen asleep...

i also have dreams that i'm playing a gig and my dad and deceased pets and relatives are there, i have normal everyday dreams and when i wake up the things i dreamt actually happen, i freak people out a lot...

i have flying dreams, swimming dreams, sometimes i dream that i drank a lot and wake up hungover even tho i only had 2 beers the nite before....i can also re-enter a dream and pick up right where it left off, sometimes days afterwards...does these things happen to anyone else?

so yea to stay on topic i have met the NS's, they're a bunch of fags who need a roundhouse kick to the face....is my dad a dreamwalker? are the pets? we addressed this issue earlier about whether spirits dream, but since they are pure energy then it does make sense they can enter ur sub-concious or concious, i talk to my dad all the time, i hear him warn me about stuff the split-second before it happens....

i also usually dream in full color, if not then key people and objects will be in color and my point of view changes from first to third a lot, like i'm watching and living a movie...

anyone remember spongeDream Walkerpants? the episode where spongebob invades other people's dreams...

i dont want to sound stupid but it feels like i have been in other dreams before trust me it is wierd i one time was dreaming about killing this kid i hate then the next day the place that i hit him he was complaining about (bad grammer sorry)

i think i had an encounter with a nite stalker last nite...went to bed around 11pm, i woke up around 4am, went back to bed around 5:30am and awoke around 8:30am - normal sleep patterns for me...

my dream had me and a few of my cousins standing around in my grandparent's house, grandma was in the kitchen as usual and grandpa was crashed in his chair. we wanted some candy in the jar sitting next to him on the shelf which would require me to lean over him and get it without waking him. since i am the favorite it was my job, so i proceeded to go for it and when i did he said "don't fucking wake me up or i'll kill u." without opening his eyes or moving his lips. i grabbed the candy and jumped back, looked at my cousins and said "that's not our grandpa" and someone - not sure who - replied "ur right, it's not" and the others kinda had a worried look on their faces. i opened up the jar and we proceeded to munch down on orange slice candy and gumdrops and lemondrops, yum. i went to the bathroom, turned on the light, used the bathroom, checked my hair in the mirror - i had dreadlocks, the tips were dyed blue, i had my earrings in and my eyes were really green. i turned off the light and exited the bathroom and jumped into another dream.

my grandpa passed in '94, he rarely cussed, was very loving, not a violent bone in his body but he would defend himself if needed, only raised his voice when i was in imminent danger and would give me the shirt off his back - my dad was the exact same way. grandma passed in '98, she was a very loving and religous person, always cooking, sassy southern kinda girl. the cousins were my close ones i hung out with a lot, but i don't remeber who all was there and we were all the age we are now, although i felt like i was a kid stealing candy from the jar - they always had a good stash. i wasn't surprised when the light worked or me taking a leak (i used to have a problem with dreaming i was peeing and actually doing it in my sleep, got it under control) but i was surprised about my appearance - i keep saying i'm gonna put my piercings back in and haven't, my hair is almost in dreadlocks but it's not quite there, i could see the dreads really well, they looked good - and my hair is blonde on the tips, but i am thinking about dying it blue - and my eyes change color but are usually green which means i am happy...

nite stalker?

Doesn't sound like it. You just got freaked out when you saw your grandfather's dead body. There was no attack or anything in that dream!

his lips didn't move, his eyes never opened, the body was breathing and he was snoring - and it wasn't his voice and my cousins reacted to it too...ima try to figure it out tonite, i can usually re-enter previous dreams where they left off, or recall dc's - not the same dream either, not a dream memory - should be fairly easy since i have been thinking about it all day...

Originally Posted by carLito

his lips didn't move, his eyes never opened, the body was breathing and he was snoring - and it wasn't his voice and my cousins reacted to it too...

I know three year olds who are badder than that. From your description, it all happened like a normal dream.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I know three year olds who are badder than that. From your description, it all happened like a normal dream.

not necessarily. I've had dreams where not-DCs were happy enough just to stay in the background and play that kind of role. Only the dreamer would be able to say, and we'd have to rely on his ability to distinguish one from the other (like do you get scared easy?)

Originally Posted by sleepingdog

not necessarily. I've had dreams where not-DCs were happy enough just to stay in the background and play that kind of role.

And what role is that? Watching you eat candy and play with your hair? To what end?

Just seems like a very random dream to me, with your attention jumping around from one thing to the next.

I'm very interested in seeing if this is possible...oh i might make some vain attempts to get into my bf's dreams tonight...catch him with another girl...and join in

Originally Posted by The Cusp

And what role is that? Watching you eat candy and play with your hair? To what end?

Just seems like a very random dream to me, with your attention jumping around from one thing to the next.

sorry cusp, i got nothing for you. If you're one to believe in non-DCs in your own dreams, that alone would bring up a host of questions that are hard to answer. Maybe they're just getting to know you, or just waiting for an opportunity to do something. I've 'chased' one or two that didn't want to be found, who were perfectly happy observing or lightly playing the dream stuff. Can you tell when there's one in your dreams, I wonder, it's not always apparent to me. I don't think they are always looking to meet or fight. dunno about his dream, or anything else for that matter.

Originally Posted by The Cusp:
I know three year olds who are badder than that. From your description, it all happened like a normal dream.

i was about 3 when i first remember my cousins getting me to do that...but in my dream we were all the ages we are now and my grandpa would NEVER have said that to me especially in that voice...

I feel I've encountered NS quite a lot, although they've appeared in very bizarre manners.

In one dream I was walking through the rain down a sidewalk when a limosine pulled up next to me, and a few men in dark suits jumped out and forced me into the back. There were other men in dark suits, as well as a few other people they had apparently taken off the streets. On one side of the car the 'innocents' were laying back, as if they had been drugged or tranquilized. I was pretty in shock at what was going on, and I lost some of my strength, which allowed the men in dark suits to hold me down easier, (granted they had to sit on my chest)

They forced me to watch what they were doing to one other person, to which they took a massive hypodermic needle and syringe filled with 'something' and injected the shit right into the other person's brain. The person had been fighting it, but once the plunger was pushed, he was 'serene.' This scared the SHIT out of me, and I continued to fight harder as they pulled a syringe over to me.

It took all of the men to hold me down, 7 or 8 of them, crammed in the back of this limo... and they brought the syringe and stuck the fat needle directly in the middle of my brow ridge, right where my Third Eye is, stuck it deep and pushed the plunger. The sensation I felt is nigh indescribable, I would have likened it to a potent heroin dose (or at least as my mind perceived what a massive dose of heroin might feel like, since I've never actually tried)

I went limp as cosmic sensations overcame my entire being, and I felt failed.

Originally Posted by Captain Oneiro

I feel I've encountered NS quite a lot, although they've appeared in very bizarre manners.

In one dream I was walking through the rain down a sidewalk when a limosine pulled up next to me, and a few men in dark suits jumped out and forced me into the back. There were other men in dark suits, as well as a few other people they had apparently taken off the streets. On one side of the car the 'innocents' were laying back, as if they had been drugged or tranquilized. I was pretty in shock at what was going on, and I lost some of my strength, which allowed the men in dark suits to hold me down easier, (granted they had to sit on my chest)

They forced me to watch what they were doing to one other person, to which they took a massive hypodermic needle and syringe filled with 'something' and injected the shit right into the other person's brain. The person had been fighting it, but once the plunger was pushed, he was 'serene.' This scared the SHIT out of me, and I continued to fight harder as they pulled a syringe over to me.

It took all of the men to hold me down, 7 or 8 of them, crammed in the back of this limo... and they brought the syringe and stuck the fat needle directly in the middle of my brow ridge, right where my Third Eye is, stuck it deep and pushed the plunger. The sensation I felt is nigh indescribable, I would have likened it to a potent heroin dose (or at least as my mind perceived what a massive dose of heroin might feel like, since I've never actually tried)

I went limp as cosmic sensations overcame my entire being, and I felt failed.

I hate to keep bursting everyone's bubble, but that doesn't sound so much like any kind of attack. Mainly because I've never heard of an NS of IB attack where they attacked in groups like that. It's usually always a single person, would be too hard to organize everyone in a dream. And sticking needles in people's brains is just the sort nefarious behavior you would expect from men in black, which to me indicates it's a regular dream.

That said, the needle to the third eyes does sound a little strange. And as far a dream combat tactics go, a swarm of anything is super effective. Be it a swarm of bats, rats, bees, or 8 MIB. You can't focus on any one thing and it scatters your attention, so maybe it was some kind of attack.

The only way to know for sure is to learn how dream works, or how they form in response to what you have your attention on. Then look for exceptions to those rules. I only learned how to do that after my NS encounters.

Plus I still stand my the method of pointint your little finger at something in a dream and declaring your intent to see it's energy, which nobody has bothered to try yet. It works. If your target has an energy body, it's more than a dream. But 99.998&#37; of the time, you target will disappear into mist.
I'm not asking anyone to believe me, believing or not believing without trying to find out for yourself is stupid.

Originally Posted by Captain Frapo

I feel I've encountered NS quite a lot, although they've appeared in very bizarre manners.

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I went limp as cosmic sensations overcame my entire being, and I felt failed.

This dream is very interesting but as The Cusp said it is not the work of Dream Walker (i.e. real people). But it is very common theme: experiments in the labs, syringes into some parts of bodies, being held in some kind of strange facility... This dream is archetypical (and on DVs I found quite a few) and it is representation of some kind of internal process in our brain. One of the modern occult views on this subject is that:

They patch our code while we asleep, and we see this like such kind of encounters!

There is a problem with them of course , but actually it may be a representations of some changes in the brain or behaviours' or traits' patterns. Try to find was something in you "changed"? Have you lost interest to something, or acquired new ones?