*cough* well Dream views...look who's back? with really good news too!

[Creation X]

BEFORE ANYONE POSTS AGAINST ME, REALIZE WHAT SECTION YOU ARE IN. Well, as some of you might (or might not) know I was "restricted" from these forums because of my age (I was 14). During the time away from DV, I had some magnificent breakthroughs with my experiments with breaking out of my dream. If any of you read my old post, you know what I'm talking about, if not, here's a little bit of a summary on the idea. The idea of me breaking out of my dream is basically to break all rules of reality. To "shatter" the laws of physics. Giving myself the ability to fly, eat keyboards, spawn items, basically anything I can do in my dream. Now then, I believe it has been roughly a year since my banishment, and like I have said before, I have some really nice factual stories to tell you The beginning Idea of the breaking out method - "Basically I just say in my dream, break out and I'm done." now, there are SO many things that went wrong with this, I'm not even going into it all. The second method, the one that actually worked - "being in a lucid dream, and forcing myself out." This one did work, and wasn't a false awakening. I tested by lighting my hand on fire. It worked, but I couldn't control it, I ended up passing out back into my sleep (and a really crappy dream). Later on after this, I had 3 other experiences like this, that worked and were not false awakenings. Soon my abilities would progress, but things that would happen, could only happen in random moments...It was as if I had some kind of limit. I managed to change a flowers color, spark my hand, and control small objects with thoughts (telekinesis). Now these things did only happen at random moments, and not all in the same day, or even month for that matter. Now, I am still on the quest to reach complete nirvana with this, and when I do, I won't rub it in anyone's faces. There is a big surprise for everyone in the world (non-catastrophic). I encourage all of the people here who believe this would work to try it, but I warn if you don't have hope, you will fail. It's taken me a whole year to even get this close to it, and I'm only around six percent there. At the moment, I can only slightly change the outcome of my future, have visions of some degree, and day dream to a whole new degree (lucid dreams on command basically). well, there you go guys. for those who frown upon me, continue to do so if you wish, for those who think It's impossible, take the time to think what people have thought was impossible before, is completely logical now, and for those who believe me, support me. that's all, and one more thing... It's good to be back

[Sandform]

Oh... Lol.

[Lseadragon]

EDIT: But I don't mean to flame, so let's make my post productive. What is your actual method of "breaking out"? Just saying you force yourself out of a lucid is not very informative. How do you actually do this? What is it like? How can we do it?

[LucidDreamGod]

It sounds like dream control to me, nothing beyond dreaming.

[Sandform]

It sounds like dream control to me, nothing beyond dreaming. That is what I thought too but then. The second method, the one that actually worked - "being in a lucid dream, and forcing myself out." This one did work, and wasn't a false awakening. I tested by lighting my hand on fire. It worked, but I couldn't control it, I ended up passing out back into my sleep (and a really crappy dream). and then Later on after this, I had 3 other experiences like this, that worked and were not false awakenings. And then the vague (and seemingly unvalidated claims since he didn't mention checking the "change of colors of objects when he woke up or change of location of "small objects either.) I managed to change a flowers color, spark my hand, and control small objects with thoughts (telekinesis). Now these things did only happen at random moments, and not all in the same day, or even month for that matter. I mean apparently they "weren't" FA's. I mean, cause he says so. He doesn't go on to explain why he knows they weren't FA's. I'm sure he "feels" that they weren't FA's and that is good enough for me I tell you what. Outside imperical evidence of a claim that could be easily verified after the event, yeah all I need is someone to tell me that they know it wasn't an FA without telling me why he knows they weren't FA's.

[LucidDreamGod]

That is what I thought too but then. and then And then the vague (and seemingly unvalidated claims since he didn't mention checking the "change of colors of objects when he woke up or change of location of "small objects either.) I mean apparently they "weren't" FA's. I mean, cause he says so. He doesn't go on to explain why he knows they weren't FA's. I'm sure he "feels" that they weren't FA's and that is good enough for me I tell you what. Outside imperical evidence of a claim that could be easily verified after the event, yeah all I need is someone to tell me that they know it wasn't an FA without telling me why he knows they weren't FA's. Yeah, sounds a lot like they were just really vivid FAs, I mean did you actually stay awake after these experiences were finished or just thought "hey maybe I should go lay down", or actually change the color of something that isn't normally that color and show everyone for proof.

[Erikkujonson]

I believe that it could possibly be possible but it would be very close to impossible, please describe your methods so we may attempt

[Creation X]

I will answer you, erikkujonson, because you're one of the nicer people. "breaking out" requires extreme concentration, here's how the first way successfully worked. 1. Start off by becoming lucid. 2. Find a spot in your dream to get comfortable 3. Visualize yourself making the transfer from the dream world, to the real world. Note: I use to use the look from when the guy from "jumper" did his teleports. 4. Extreme concentration is needed here. you need to believe that you can hop out, and you need to have it in your mind what you are doing. (bringing your dream world to life). 5. When you feel you can actually "break" out, go for it. 6. when you are finally in the place where you fell asleep, check to see A. If you can do anything you want and B. if it is reality Anyone who has success aside from me, please post.

[Hukif]

Sounds reliable, tough, you know that method is the same used for OBE/AP via LD, right? So... how to make a diference between the two?

[Sandform]

6. when you are finally in the place where you fell asleep, check to see A. If you can do anything you want and B. if it is reality Anyone who has success aside from me, please post. You are going about this method completey wrong right here buddy. You should not rely on checks that occur while you are "asleep" to prove it is reality. The most logical way to "check" would be to do something that would have long lasting effects in reality, say change the color of something very large to the color pink, and then make sure it is that color the next day. I want to know what proof you have that they aren't FA's. If we seem like we aren't "nice" it is because we don't like when people make claims without evidence that stupid people will believe even without the evidence that is lacking. For all we know you are either just dreaming, or sleepwalking.

[Sandform]

Sounds reliable, tough, you know that method is the same used for OBE/AP via LD, right? So... how to make a diference between the two? Let me answer in 15 year old guru talk. Well you see the thing is in AP your intent is to go to the astral plane and not be in reality, in this method your intent is to be in reality, and not the astral plane.

[Hukif]

Oh sorry for that, either way it still sounds like OBE or FA.

[Sandform]

Oh sorry for that, either way it still sounds like OBE or FA. Exactly.

[Erikkujonson]

Ill have to try this once I become any good at all at lucid dreaming and also, if you believe in them, do you think it could be by any chance some type of OBE cause that seems like and idea that doesnt break the laws of the world and may not upset people *points to repliers to this forum* lol Its hard to believe its possible but I happen to believe that the boundaries of this world/universe are not very strong but that people create their own boundaries by not believing in other possibilities. sorry to go off on a tangent lol but I just want to know your thoughts

[C911]

If you get out of your dream, you should be able to walk around right? So if you are forced back to sleep and into a dream, then you wake up, you would sprawled about on the floor or in a chair if you sat down or something... So why dont you see if you are not in the same spot you were when you went sleep, and use that as proof. Of course many of us wont believe you, but it would be a good thing to try.

[Erikkujonson]

If you get out of your dream, you should be able to walk around right? So if you are forced back to sleep and into a dream, then you wake up, you would sprawled about on the floor or in a chair if you sat down or something... So why dont you see if you are not in the same spot you were when you went sleep, and use that as proof. Of course many of us wont believe you, but it would be a good thing to try. Hi C911 glad you joined us!

[Creation X]

well, you make a good point on testing if it is real or not. Also, I'm positive it's not an OBE/AP, just because I am. and I assure you all when I have extreme proof that I can show you all, I will. until then...I think you should all try to do this if you want to see for yourself.

[C911]

I will try, if its real. Why dont you just video tape yourself? Just go to bed always in the same place, and turn on your camera. Then, if it happens, you will be recorded. Then you can be on youtube and get millions of hits and everyone will be offereing to pay you hundreds of dollars for your secret. So since i am helping so much, if you do get this recorded, you should send me the info for free k

[Erikkujonson]

Ya Id be glad to try once I can do LD's more often, and truthfully I think that if this works, it shouldnt require the ability to LD in order to do it... just a thought....

[Sandform]

Ya Id be glad to try once I can do LD's more often, and truthfully I think that if this works, it shouldnt require the ability to LD in order to do it... just a thought.... Drugs often do the trick too.

[Creation X]

well good luck to everyone, and I do advise you all to use the "law of gratitude/want" that another of the member has posted in a thread on this forum.

[Elektra]

Bwahaha, What happened to showing up at my window surrounded by a great ball of fire? Just kidding. Great job so far. The abilities you have now, sound amazing. =]

[Maeni]

Oh god... Come with some proof and I'll be your slave, like seriously. If you really can do this as simple as just 'breaking out' then you must be God or some shit. (if not, then that's what you're becomming) And you're 14 years old, god damnit that's really well done. There's been quite alot of cool people with awesome minds, like Einstein, but he never got anything like this. Don't you find it sort of funny that you, (being 14 years old) as the only human on earth, is able to 'break out' from his lucid dream and voila, Lucid + Reality? Anyways, I think we might need to get some proffesionals to look at this, I'm not sure how great the government and the police would feel about a 14 year old being omnipotent. EDIT: Yeah, I mention your age alot, but I'm around the same age, so hurf durf. EDIT: If you're really not a troll, understand that I'm not totally against your idea, I'm just looking at it realistically.. We're in a tiny little forum, filled with all sorts of weirdos who believe all sorts of weird shit. And that's just DreamViews' weirdos. There are tons of other weirdos in this world who believes weird shit. And then there's you. To people like me, you're just a weirdo who believes weird shit. But hell, you might be right, I dunno. But what about that guy over there who thinks he's met actual Gods? Could he be right too? And this guy who goes into other peoples dreams in their sleep. Is he also right? You're just one out of a huge chunk. You're probably wrong.

[Creation X]

well, the gods thing does seem kind of "wack" to me, but the whole going into other dreams thing seems logical to me. The only reason I say this about dream-sharing, and not about talking to gods is because I'm not much for gods and religion, although I don't shun those who do believe in such things. I understand what you are trying to get at, and I'm not trying to troll at all. These studies that I'm doing, with the results are in no way false. I know it is hard to believe for most of the people here, and I wish there was a way I could prove it otherwise, but until I completely finish the process, there's no proof I can give. Giving me the title "wacko". on the age bit, I'm 15, not 14. I did start the studies at 14, a whole year ago, I remember the beginning process...So simple...But very much incomplete. I was VERY amazed at the first time I did it (I posted about it in my older thread), And couldn't believe it. The real purpose I am doing this is to hopefully unlock my minds potential. I believe that there is more than what we just think there is to our minds, we just don't put ourselves to the test. Well, I decided to, and I had really good results. Who knows though, I could go no where with this at all, I could go somewhere soon with it, or I could end up waiting years to complete it. but until then, I will have to work for it. Also, maybe when you have a lucid dream, or have something to "open" up your mind a little bit, you might believe a bit more.

[roland3tr]

Later on after this, I had 3 other experiences like this, that worked and were not false awakenings. Soon my abilities would progress, but things that would happen, could only happen in random moments...It was as if I had some kind of limit. I managed to change a flowers color, spark my hand, and control small objects with thoughts (telekinesis). Now these things did only happen at random moments, and not all in the same day, or even month for that matter. First of all you really should tell us why you thought they were not FAs . You keep saying "I just knew it" well thats not enough, there are many ways to know it. Correct me if I'm wrong, the abilities you are talking about means that you are manipulating the reality which seems I guess f.ing impossible to around %90 of the people in this forum. Yet you keep saying we need to try it and that is the only way to know it. Well I think it is easier if you just come up with some proof. Videotape yourself, change something in the house, if you can rarely use your abilities just do something like observe?!. Tell somebody in the house to put a note far from you, then go and read it. I mean there are lots of ways to know it. Don't try to unlock your minds potential until you know what you are doing. If you know what you are doing and you are %100 sure about it, you can easily show us some proof.