Originally Posted by Scatterbrain
Irrelevant. Ignored my post:
Again, ignored my post:
Again, ignored my post:
Irrelevant. There's evidence global warming is happening, regardless of it's cause.
Irrelevant. In that scenario there's evidence the hurricane is coming.
Supernatural is by definition extraordinary, so are the claims of it's existence.
The only ones limiting human development are those that try to circumvent the scientific method, claiming certain specific phenomena are real.
Paradoxical and irrelevant.
Wrong. Energy sources exist, we wouldn't be here if they didn't. It's nothing supernatural or extraordinary at all.
You seem to think I ignored your post when in all actuality, I disagree with your view. You seem to think whats known in certain subjects is certainly all that exists, I on the other hand accept that other forces could exist. Far away from here, and maybe within your own body. I'll leave those studies to someone else, till then I'll be foolishly predicting the future through a paradoxical anomaly while you live in a world of logic perception.
Making a claim that a machine can fly would definitely have been an extraordinary one in 1900, and so extraordinary evidence was called for. This evidence was delivered though, when aeroplanes started flying around for everyone to see. And not just my neighbour's daughter's best friend has a blurry photograph of one. Watching Orville and Wilbur Wright fly their Wright Flyer was the extraordinary evidence.
The world was believed to be flat at one time, it was impossible to sway the general public. Or prove it to them for that matter, especially with the powers in charge. Time hasn't changed that much.
While there is obviously a lot still to be discovered about dark energy, I think the thing to remember is that it is an energy not a force. Like kinetic energy, or thermal energy. Communication between the minds of two people like is being proposed in dream sharing would require energy, but more importantly it would also require a force for the transmission of that energy.
Energy, force, seems to be a jumble of wordology. Use the force luke.
When only two forces were known, scientist wouldn't have told you that they know all the forces that exist in the universe, as they wouldn't have had a complete model for how things work. Now they do, and they can tell you that there are only four.
We can say that these are the only forces in the universe, but even if we were to concede you point that we haven't checked on the other side of the universe (and I definitely do not concede this), then as Scatterbrain points out, this is irrelevant to what we are discussing. Even if a new, unknown force exists 2 billion lightyears away, if it doesn't exist here, it certainly can't be the mechanism for dream sharing can it?
See that is where you are wrong, I'd be willing to bet they said only two forces exist because that was the information they had. Or did they say, we got two knowns and two unknowns that we are working on.. Other forces could be left undiscovered in our backyard, or billions of miles away.
I didn't say anything was a mechanism for dream sharing, I only said other forces might exist in our galaxy, or simply in the universe. In our bodies, in our souls, who knows. To simply assume because four have been discovered that nothing else exists or it's irrelevant because of distance. I on the other hand look at distance as nothing but an illusion in a time-space continuum. To each his own, some are destined to be open some closed. Some logical, some imaginative. Some both.
Once again I was not claiming anything about mechanisms of dream sharing.
I don't think your analogy really fits. I'm not sure what you are trying to say. If your point you are arguing against is that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, then the examples you choose aren't too extraordinary, and there is sufficient evidence for us not to rule out their possibility, or say that they are likely to occur.
We've seen hurricanes in the US before, and have no reason to expect we won't see them again. We have evidence for them, we know they happen. The claim that there could be alternative fuel sources is not extraordinary. Why do you say that it is?
The claim that dreamsharing is possible is, as Scatterbrain points out, extraordinary, because it goes against everything we know about physics and the human brain. It also has never been observed in controlled conditions.
My analogy was quite simple, close minded thoughts like something isn't close so it doesn't matter just holds back our race. It's not gonna help science learn anything, assuming the impossible and you will find the impossible.
I didn't say hurricanes were extraordinary, I said not preparing for them or just choosing not to believe in them because of a lack of proof would be. Yes, we all know hurricanes exist.
Live in a world defined by what we already know, instead of defining the future with the unknown. I won't.
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