down the rabbit hole

[seeker28]

I had an interesting conversation with a DC last night that got me thinking. Please take all of this in the spirit it is offered -- open-minded discussion on all sides of the issue. Here is an excerpt of the dream (note I was lucid at the time): "Who is _________," I asked Jeeves. He smiled. "Alice." "Like down the rabbit hole, through the looking glass Alice," I asked. "Yes." Jeeves nodded. "And she pulled out a prize." This stunned me. I wondered if this DC was telling me some kind of truth or just spouting crap my mind was making up. I tried to imagine what kind of prize could be pulled out of the dream world. Then I wondered what the price would be -- horrible I imagined. What could be worth that kind of price? I looked around and noticed the beauty and detail of the dream. There is a lot in dreams that could be worth a horrible price. What if sometimes dreams lead dreamers to a place that has some reality that is seperate from the dreamer? A real dreamworld that persists when the dream ends? And what if someone could go to this place and then take something back to the physical world? Just suspend doubt and wonder what that might be. Thoughts?

[Ahhchuu]

i always think the things i say and do with people i know in dreams will extend to the real world. thats as far as it goes. i am always disapointed when i wake up from a dream im shooting people and loose the gun i was using. ya i remember stealing stuff from people and clutching them in my hands hoping they would be in my hands when i wake up. never happens. maybe if u dream all the time of someone giving you something it will eventually happen but i doubt it.

[Abra]

But, you see, you do change. After every dream, you've physically and psychologically changed. Neurons in your brain map themselves out in new ways, which persist when waking. That is the cryptic flower we get.

[The Cusp]

There was a thread on this forum awhile back of a woman who supposedly brought back a ring from a dream. Can't find it at the moment, but if you do a search you should be able to find it here somewhere.

[Vorquel]

I'm of the opinion that the best thing you can get from a dream is knowledge, or perhaps inner strength. If it is possible to take physical objects with you out of the dream world, there would have to be some strict rules about it to keep from interfering with the laws of physics.

[Neeros]

I agree with Vorquel that one retains inner strength and knowledge from every single dream whether you remember it or not. I think it goes deeper than that, I believe that our dream experiences assist our minds and souls in micro evolution, that is to say we change from day to day sometimes the changes are minor, sometimes the changes are revolutionary to our own personalities. I believe the point of your dream is that Jeeves was telling you that Alice gained significant knowledge and personal growth from her experience, and that we are all capable of this if we only take the time to try to learn.

[Xibran123]

So what would the thing you must sacrifice be? The time to learn from things or what is it exactly?

[Neeros]

What if sometimes dreams lead dreamers to a place that has some reality that is seperate from the dreamer? A real dreamworld that persists when the dream ends? And what if someone could go to this place and then take something back to the physical world? Just suspend doubt and wonder what that might be. Thoughts? That sounds like astral projection, maybe to the "dream realm" if there is such a place. So what would the thing you must sacrifice be? The time to learn from things or what is it exactly? There may not even be a price, I think that was just speculation on seeker28's part but I can't be sure of that. If there is a price, who could possibly know?

[DeathCell]

I had an interesting conversation with a DC last night that got me thinking. Please take all of this in the spirit it is offered -- open-minded discussion on all sides of the issue. Here is an excerpt of the dream (note I was lucid at the time): "Who is _________," I asked Jeeves. He smiled. "Alice." "Like down the rabbit hole, through the looking glass Alice," I asked. "Yes." Jeeves nodded. "And she pulled out a prize." This stunned me. I wondered if this DC was telling me some kind of truth or just spouting crap my mind was making up. I tried to imagine what kind of prize could be pulled out of the dream world. Then I wondered what the price would be -- horrible I imagined. What could be worth that kind of price? I looked around and noticed the beauty and detail of the dream. There is a lot in dreams that could be worth a horrible price. What if sometimes dreams lead dreamers to a place that has some reality that is seperate from the dreamer? A real dreamworld that persists when the dream ends? And what if someone could go to this place and then take something back to the physical world? Just suspend doubt and wonder what that might be. Thoughts? Interesting thought, I'll have to try and pull something out of a dream with me one time.. or it could just be the knowledge available to you in the astral/dream world.. And to finish that for you and back again.

[seeker28]

In the dream I thought the "prize" Alice brought back was some kind of knowledge or unusual ability. I agree that dreams (especially lucid ones, because of the increased control they can offer) change our minds and beliefs.