But... neh... enh... |
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Assuming OBE's are just dreams, and that and that OBEers and LDers experience the same thing and operate in the same realm, what do you think are the pros and cons of each approach? |
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Last edited by The Cusp; 06-06-2009 at 04:57 AM.
But... neh... enh... |
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Please don't put words in people's mouths. I certainly don't think so and know other OBEers who do not. |
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Yes I realize that, but for the purpose of this discussion I'm assuming they are the same. Or at least similar enough that they warrant a side by side comparison. |
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Last edited by The Cusp; 06-06-2009 at 06:23 PM.
My first WILD (2 weeks ago) was an OBE so thats what I believe they are. I just had another one this morning where about 15 minutes in I felt my arms and legs start to rise. I still have lots of trouble separating from my body though and am pulled back to my physical sight quite often. |
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You seem very convinced that OBEs are real? Can't you at least accept that they could be (probably are) just dreams of leaving the body? (after all if you dream of winning the lottery, you dont wake up thinking you're wealthy... so why should dreaming about leaving the body make you wake up and assume you really left your body?) |
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This reminds me very much of http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=46571 |
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I've felt myself leaving my body on plenty of occasions, but most often I'll feel a dream body at the same time as my real one. Like you said, it's hard to separate the two, especially the head and torso. I've had good success with rolling out of my body. |
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I've tried every "AP" method, all I got was a vivid lucid dream so I wonder how I would do it if said "AP" was real. |
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if you can read this then you are about to be punched
I too think that they're the same, but you wrote that all OBEers believe that OBEs are real, that's what I was objecting to. |
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Nice to see that sweeping statements are still alive and well on DVs. |
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She's right actually. most people I think project into at least a close-too real-time reality. A better thing to do is if you have a room in your house you don't normally use or a closet etc. have someone put an object there in a specific location, and then while your out of body go check and see what it is. I've heard of people getting very close results if not the exact thing correct. |
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No, "she's" not. "She" couldn't be more wrong.. but maybe I'm confusing what you may actually mean. |
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thats interesting cause my "WILD's" or AP's whatever you want to call it are quite different. |
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Yep, still alive, I can see the proof right in front of my own eyes, although I don't agree that it's so nice. And I can't decide whether you're so angry that you make no sense with your statements, or so drunk (high?). I mean, starting from insulting me with drug use, and with "knowing" how many years of experience I have, ending with implying that I'm not a she. You'd make a lousy clairvoyant. Judging by how you presented yourself, I'm afraid to even imagine what an OBEer you are. |
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Maybe I can offer some insight. I can tell you I have done both an OBE and an LD and they feel different from each other. Sometimes my OBE's have switched into LD's or dreams too. I find an LD experience much more enjoyable but being they are both lucid, they can both be fun to do. I just wish I had more control over it all. |
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well wishes,
lily
"I have been with you since the beginning, and I shall be with you til the end."
- Isis, in my dream.
Nah. |
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MILD/DILD: 79
WILD: 13
DEILD:13
(TOTAL: 108 )
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