Astral projection proof

[luciddreamer000]

If I ask an astral projector to approach me in his/her astral body and communicate with me just to prove that there is such a thing as astral projection, will he/she be able to do it? Will I be able to see him/her in the astral and hear what he/she has got to say? I am sorry if it sounds like a basic and silly question, but I really do want to know.

[Motumz]

I don't think she would be able to. But lets hear what others have to say

[jarrhead]

I personally do not believe in AP. Besides, are you really gonna be awake while they're asleep? No way somebody's giong to travel all the way to another time zone just for you.

[Maria92]

If AP were real or had been proven real, there would be a media frenzy. Reporters would be flocking to labs to get the scoop. Can you think of a better story of the year? "Almost anyone capable of visiting the other side of the world without leaving bed. Peeping Toms flock to Lucidity Institute." What we need are some serious scientific experiments in this regard, performed under reasonable experimental conditions. Note here that I'm not saying it's impossible or can't be done, or that people don't do it, I'm just retaining a healthy amount of skepticism. If you want to learn AP, you could go ahead and try to learn it yourself, and if you see results, head on down to a lab, but I really doubt simply seeing someone else in the astral state is going to be called "proof." Indeed, in the scientific community, your argument would hold no water.

[Specialis Sapientia]

It is possible, but not very realistic. You should rather explore it yourself, it's the only way to get personal proof on this. As jarrhead says, time zones can be a real pain in the ass if one wants to attempt it.

[Baron Samedi]

If I ask an astral projector to approach me in his/her astral body and communicate with me just to prove that there is such a thing as astral projection, will he/she be able to do it? Will I be able to see him/her in the astral and hear what he/she has got to say? I am sorry if it sounds like a basic and silly question, but I really do want to know. Yes, yes, and yes.

[Corello]

Time zones, sick stuff bro. Pretty much possible yes, pain in the a$$ though. Also, I don't see why would reporters flock in labs or such for something people don't even believe in. There were actually A LOT of experiences with human vibrational frequency, human energy field/aura, chakras, healing through energy and all that. And of course a good bunch of them was labeled as crazy ass mad scientists, you know the drill. Go look for it, you may find something that fits your interests, Barbara Ann Brennan is a good choice if you ask me.

[saxonharp]

Yes, yes, and yes. Agreed. I've made my presence known to those I've visited.

[juroara]

If I ask an astral projector to approach me in his/her astral body and communicate with me just to prove that there is such a thing as astral projection, will he/she be able to do it? Will I be able to see him/her in the astral and hear what he/she has got to say? I am sorry if it sounds like a basic and silly question, but I really do want to know. do you mean in real time or dream time? If in real time, then no. The astral is supposed to be a different layer of reality. They would be invisible to you. If in dream time, well then you run into the circular logic, how do you know for sure it just wasn't a dream?

[Corello]

Well, Since the physical->ethereal->astral->mental->spiritual -layers- of reality can be considered as one single whole layer with different levels of manifestation, one can still force his presence to be noticed and/or try to put a specific thought into the target's head, then confirm it in a future talk. It is also crucial to be upon the part where if you don't get your head clear and empty of invading and disrupting thoughts you won't get what you're supposed to get the way you're supposed to get it. That attempt being closer to the real time zone.

[Corello]

As to the dream realm attempt, both subjects can set up a specific place with specific characteristics and details and/or the usage of key-words known only by them to get to the place in matter. Using a photo or some kind of image may be useful as well, since the place won't be different from one dreamer to another. Also there comes all the energy signature stuff everyone knows about in BD. But then again, that's kind of pro stuff I think. Forgot something, the feeling the place is supposed to get you is of most importance.

[juroara]

Well, Since the physical->ethereal->astral->mental->spiritual -layers- of reality can be considered as one single whole layer with different levels of manifestation, one can still force his presence to be noticed and/or try to put a specific thought into the target's head, then confirm it in a future talk. It is also crucial to be upon the part where if you don't get your head clear and empty of invading and disrupting thoughts you won't get what you're supposed to get the way you're supposed to get it. That attempt being closer to the real time zone. Whether or not an astral projector can do this in my opinion, is more dependent on the awake person to allow it to happen to them. Free will rules in this case! You might as well sit in your bedroom and ask a ghost to contact you. The mechanics are exactly the same.

[Robot_Butler]

It is always worth a try. Even if it fails, you will learn something new about yourself and further your understanding of dreaming and astral projection. Give it a try

[saxonharp]

[QUOTE=juroara;1318336]Whether or not an astral projector can do this in my opinion, is more dependent on the awake person to allow it to happen to them. Free will rules in this case! QUOTE] This is correct. Unless a person is willing to be contacted in this way, they will not acknowledge the Journeyer's presence. Notice I said "willing" not "cognizant of". I have never visited someone who was cognizant of my presence prior to the visit. This is one reason it is always essential to ask permission before approaching another or viewing another while in your Energetic form. Apart from the whole ethics of "spying" there can be no meaningful contact if the subject is not open to your presence in this form.

[Corello]

Since you guys have practice in it, I'll be inclined to agree. It's just that a friend of mine has a really strong "self-centerd self", not that he's unconveniently selfish or incredibly annoying or something like that(annoying ok, he is very good at it, he doesn't even need to try hard.), but his spirit is very strong by itself. Back then with our experiences last year, he could make his energy easily noticable, not to mention invasive, whether or not I would try to notice it. I really thought it was up to how much "expansive and expressive" the person who will attempt the connection's energy is.

[U-mos]

Yes, and no. It's possible, but the person probably needs to be clairvoyant enough to pick up on your presence.

[saxonharp]

... a friend of mine has a really strong "self-centerd self", not that he's unconveniently selfish or incredibly annoying or something like that(annoying ok, he is very good at it, he doesn't even need to try hard.), but his spirit is very strong by itself. Back then with our experiences last year, he could make his energy easily noticable, not to mention invasive, whether or not I would try to notice it. I really thought it was up to how much "expansive and expressive" the person who will attempt the connection's energy is. One can force themselves on another whether they are in their energy body or their physical body. It is, however, akin to physical rape as far as I'm concerned. There are ethical and moral limits one imposes on oneself as a matter of course. Those who push beyond those ethical limits are guilty of criminal assualt in just the same way as if they had physically brutalized someone. That being said, there may be reasonable excuses for misbehavior. Someone who is untrained or ignorant of their potential can do great harm to another completely unitentionally. A person with a mental disability may not realize that they are physically strong and may harm a care-giver unintentionally. Likewise, a person who has a natural aptitude for projecting their energy (some Eastern traditions call it Chi) but is not aware of it or is ignorant of its effects on others can cause energetic harm. However, this is different than actually separating your Energy Body from your Physical Body and Journeying to another physical person. I do not believe the latter can be done unintentionally.