Thread: Where Do You Stand - Dream Guides

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A dream machine, eh? That sounds pretty spif...

Wait. O.o!

I believe the article mentions something about injecting nano-bots into the brain in order to monitor the stimuli during brain activity. ... Thats creepy.
Its interesting that they're closing in on this technology. This article seems very sci-fi in context tho. ...


RERALED! =)

IMHO,... I don't believe 'dream guides' are all that BS.

Of course, you would need to take into account what your beliefs are.

If you are one who believes in widely accepted scientific fact, with a large skepticism or disbelief in things considered 'pseudo-science' because of their lack of measurability and recognizing that human beings will believe anything to explain what they believe is real but actually isn't, then perhaps dream guides are simply subconscious, host-created entities.

If you are one who is extremely esoteric, digging into paranormal or spiritual fascination with every 'unknown' topic known to man, as you venture into the spiritual dream world filled with strange and magnificent wonders and unexplainable magical gizzlegob, then perhaps these dream guides are spirits destined to teach you how to travel the dream world.

Or you can take the middle road, acknowledge and accept the logical nature of science, while keeping in mind that perhaps we human beings do have some sort of conscious connectivity through another state of reality only achievable through a dreaming state of mind,... a psychic connection, and that the possibility of 'spiritual entities' are more suited under the term 'interdimensional beings',... and that there is a scientific measurability to metaphysics that simply has not been unraveled yet,... then perhaps dream guides are conscious bodies of energy that are most akin to ...say ...'programs' or 'protocols', functioning in the vast supercomputer that is the universe.

Whatever version floats your boat. All of them have interesting theories and evidence attached to them, and all of them are understandable in their own right. =) ... These are all questions meant to take our fascinations with dreams to the next level.

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Isn't that what this 'Beyond' section is about, anyhow?

OMG gosh thanks for posting that link. So one day we will be able to see your dream guides, or characters. How cool is that!

Meh, I could believe either way. I trust the posts of the peoples, but I'm never seen one. Partial!

I don't know, don't have enough lucid dreams to know, but I'm leaning toward them being created by your subconscious. I'm still open to the idea that they're real tho

Originally Posted by ExoByte

Dream Guides are essentially manifestations of your subconscious, a face to it if you will.

This would appropriately fit in the normal On-Topic forum, nothing beyond dreaming about it.

2nd'ed

Yeah okay...
I stuck it here because I know that some people believe its more than just your subconscious. I figured those who didn't would have been mature enough not to make such a bitchy point. Although at the time of writing this, I do agree about it being nothing more than your subconscious.

Bitchy point?
I see no such point being made, sir! =/

People are entitled to their own versions of reality. The only lack of logic is derived from anyone who doesn't understand this, and that... quite simply... the subjective experience is just too hard to back up with evidence to begin with. So why not simply accept that it is subjective, and of its own perceptual nature? =)


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Although, forgive me if I don't understand this fully yet. Newbie here.
If a Dream Guide were to be only subconscious, then why is it called a Dream Guide? ... Wouldn't it really just be a 'reoccuring character'? I don't think I would trust my subconscious mind enough to let one of its characters guide me. There are alot of crazy things up here. *points to temple*

Originally Posted by Nam3less One

If a Dream Guide were to be only subconscious, then why is it called a Dream Guide? ... Wouldn't it really just be a 'reoccuring character'? I don't think I would trust my subconscious mind enough to let one of its characters guide me. There are alot of crazy things up here. *points to temple*

What do you mean by "only subconscious" at first place? If you mean unconscious part of the mind (i.e. everything except consciousness) than it is not a personality. It is the ocean, full of evolutionary patches and addons. It may manifest worlds, not only dream guides. Term "subconscious" not only non-scientific (and basicly as occult as, say, astral plane), it is also downgrades one's brain.

Originally Posted by Phantasos

What do you mean by "only subconscious" at first place? If you mean unconscious part of the mind (i.e. everything except consciousness) than it is not a personality. It is the ocean, full of evolutionary patches and addons. It may manifest worlds, not only dream guides.

'Only subconscious' would translate as: 'not spiritual in any way shape or form', and 'your perceptual mind created it, because it can'. ... but given that I'm only speaking on the terms of the current topic, in a skeptics tone, I am only assuming the role of a skeptic for the sake of understanding the counter-argument. In truth, I agree with the above idea, because I am spiritually-minded.

I was merely invoking a 'what-if' scenario directed to skeptics. If its NOT spiritual, then is it still called a 'guide'? If to suggest that the being is not of a higher intelligence,... and it is a 'perceptual creation',... isn't it just a 'character'?

Perhaps the skeptics here have a counter-theory?
Or maybe not, and I'm running my gums needlessly.

(*ish caught for baiting*)

Originally Posted by Phantasos

Term "subconscious" not only non-scientific (and basicly as occult as, say, astral plane), it is also downgrades one's brain.

Freudian, moreso. ... but yet,... Subconscious has been thrown around very loosely in this thread to begin with. It is rather non-scientific: a false cover term moreso. Therefore, I'll refrain from using the term 'subconscious' in the future.

Originally Posted by Nam3less One

I was merely invoking a 'what-if' scenario directed to skeptics. If its NOT spiritual, then is it still called a 'guide'? If to suggest that the being is not of a higher intelligence,... and it is a 'perceptual creation',... isn't it just a 'character'?

Well, if we take term "Dream Guide", it does not suggest that the guide in question should be "spiritual" (whatever it may mean). It does mean that DC should provide helpful services for dreamer. For practical purposes it is usually not important is it creation of one's brain, independent entity or inorganic being (although in last case if one believes that entity is IB then he should take precautions recommended by Castaneda).

Personally I consider Dream Guides as creations of one's mind, but I would not dare to use word "just". It seems that many people do not grasp the staggering vastness of human mind. Consciousnes is just a tip of this iceberg.

Freudian, moreso. ... but yet,... Subconscious has been thrown around very loosely in this thread to begin with. It is rather non-scientific: a false cover term moreso.

Although I usually take skeptics' side (as most of topics in BD are about old, dusty concepts like astral planes, OOBEs, or poorly carried shared dreaming experiments) but it always amuses me how people are able to use words "subconscious" and "science" in one sentence.

Yes, to an extent. I see no reason why they shouldn't exist, and the number of claims of finding one's DG is astounding. Also, I myself have had a non-lucid experience with a potential dream guide that was quite convincing...so yeah, I'd say yes, but it is a cautious yes, I guess.