Thread: This is why I don't like Beyond Dreaming

She seems like some advertiser looking to get big bucks but will fail miserably. It doesn't look like she has any enthusiasm for what she is saying, stay away from these type of spammers. As soon as someone charges something - especially on youtube, then you know there is something fishy going on.

If your interested in parapsychology or anything that involves meditation, out of body experiences, mind over matter. Spend some time to find REAL people who are devoted to the subject. Start with http://www.youtube.com/user/yogameditation .

Many of the concepts she was talking about exist, and they are controversial. Although she may not be the best "advertiser" it's not to say everything she was saying can be regarded as pure trash.. I'm familier with some of the things she was talking about (not all) and some of it holds some truth. As for her sure she's trying to make a quick bucks, it's no worse then your typical door-to-door salesmen. Although the salesmen is scheming, there is probably truth behind his product. Although, I never buy into this for information because I prefer to find sources that have more devotion beyond money like Astralization said.

^ Ah yes. I'm assuming you have experience manifesting the sacred angel gate vortex medicine wheel?

maybe I have experienced what she calls " sacred angel gate vortex medicine wheel" maybe it's just the name that sounds like bull**** and it's really simple. Most probably trying to make something new to sell stuff that's why it's better to contact these people directly

The alarming thing is, she probably has total belief in what she is describing.

This is what happens when parts of our waking identity start to get free from their moorings, they settle in some very odd places and the descriptions needed to explain the experiences get more and more bizzare.

The problems start when people put their trust in the explanations rather than staying with the pure experiential phenomena. I think she is a perfect case in point. No doubt she has some interesting experiences going on. What she lacks is the sobriety to deal with them in any way that appeals to non fruit cakes.

I have had some experience in trying to get inside the views of people like this. A bit like dreaming awake if you want. Its good practice to loosen upour own opinions and beliefs. Also people like this do have some very interesting and valid experiences. I just dont go a whole lot on their explanations of what is happening.

she seems nice

I'm also familiar with some things she was talking about, except for the whole "sacred angel gate vortex medicine wheel" thing

I think if someone's interested in that kind of stuff, then there is already plenty of free info on spiritual things on the internet to look through... but if someone knows anyone who can make the sacred angel gate vortex medicine wheel work let me know

Sacred Angel Gate, Giant Medicine Wheel Vortex.

It makes more sense when its laid out this way, i guess remembering a script is easier when your not plowed.

Originally Posted by WakataDreamer

We need some sort of quality review board or something, who else thinks that this is a good idea?

So you're actually asking for censorship applied by a group of people (some kind of ideological elite) that decides what is regarded as high quality and what not, because you're unable or unwilling to deal with conflicting ideas.

You're arrogantly pointing at other people that don't share your views or exceed the horizon of your personal philosophy.

What created people like you?

If there was a censorship and they were wise, the first thing they would do was to censor demands like yours. Glad there is none.

I don't agree with censorship. Beyond Dreaming is for the more out there ideas. If you don't like it, stick to the Lucid Dreaming forums.

As for this woman, I agree, some if it's real, if wrapped up in psychobabble. And then there is the powerful shapes bit. I couldn't help but laugh at that.

And I work in sales. I have co-workers who have no passion, and cannot upsell a thing. I might not be the most genuinely passionate, but I can fake it with ease, and I've had a group of people buying and buying off me for over half an hour. She has no enthusiasm, passion, hell, even motivation. Why would I buy anything from her?

And the audio all went to pot at the end.

Isn't they idea of commercials to make you buy stuff? That really didn't make me wanna buy angle witch medicine gates or whatever...

As a Shared Dreamer I will be sending everyone Sacred energy vortex angel gate medicine wheel's in dreams! for free!

Apparently there's a forum already named after me!

Ah, shucks, guys, I'm just a newbie!

Originally Posted by BeyondDreaming

Apparently there's a forum already named after me!

Ah, shucks, guys, I'm just a newbie!

It was meant to be a surprise, but, too late now