Thread: Beyond Dreaming

You're preaching to the choir.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...ad.php?t=57283

Thanks, I'll check out your stuff.

Please, anyone dont take offense at any rude behavior on my part, I love this site, I hope i can find people to relate to on compatible interestests in dreaming to enlightnemt etc.

PS. I dont like Deepak. I was at Maharishi Academy when he was the go boy for the Maharishi. I can explain privately if interested.

Originally Posted by kulananda

\PS. I dont like Deepak. I was at Maharishi Academy when he was the go boy for the Maharishi. I can explain privately if interested.

I'm not really into him either. But that particular quite applies to my interest in shared dreaming.

And so what are you looking for from this site?

A lot of heavy words without a clear point for community discussion.

Most of my background and interest in dreaming stems from yoga and tantra. If anyone has read and practices these types of mysticim, especially Dzogchen Dream Yoga or Shiva Sutras, Yoga Sutras and Vijnana Bhairava etc then you'll know. I not looking particularly for "community" Discussion; only to find the few who are interested in dreaming for enlightenment and or are on a yoga/tantic path.

Originally Posted by kulananda

Most of my background and interest in dreaming stems from yoga and tantra. If anyone has read and practices these types of mysticim, especially Dzogchen Dream Yoga or Shiva Sutras, Yoga Sutras and Vijnana Bhairava etc then you'll know. I not looking particularly for "community" Discussion; only to find the few who are interested in dreaming for enlightenment and or are on a yoga/tantic path.

I don't know that there would be very many people that would have as much experience in those matters as you do, and it be intimidating to try and discuss such things with someone way more knowledgeable than you are. But I'm sure sure there would be many people on this site who would love to hear about it.

Start us off, share what you've learned so far.

Also, you might want to try starting a thread on AboveTopSecret.com , they have some good discussions going on over there.

Um yeah. I have a dream house, a dream wife, kids, dogs etc. modelled after how I want my life to look like in a few years. So yeah i know all about this stuff. And for one. I would love to dream 24/7

I have a very crude interest in Dzogchen also. I have had Buddhist initiation dreams, experienced clear light in dreams and studied under a teacher for a while.
Various waking experinces of emptiness come and go.

One quick question, what is at the root of your need for mastery?


Oh, and hi.

One quick question, what is at the root of your need for mastery?

That depends on what one means by mastery. I mean it in a positive aspect; self control, the ability to make positive changes in my life, ability to achieve my goals. etc etc. Ultimatley to achive conscious immortality and enlightenment according to concepts of yoga and tantra. One yoga mantra is "I AM, I AM I, I AM the center of power and consciousness in my being."

Those of you who have uninterupted consiousness 24 hours a day are ahead of me. One aspect of yoga/tantra is to have this. I have had it occasionally. Dream and waking can be seen then as a projection of the mind and essentially illusory. Being able to change dreams is easier is because it is made up of astral phenomena which is more fluid than the earthly realm which has a denser vibration.My yoga teacher says we should ignore the lower astral (regular dreaming) and move to the upper astral (lucid and other)where karma (fate) comes from. There, one can change very easily what happens to us in the physical. He says it is to be used to change "Bad" karma.

Right now my lucid dreams are less than frequent,. Regular dreaming almost every night. I found that meditationg on the heart chakra along with other yoga meditations has changed the nature of my dreams dramatically.

Well i like to keep these post relatively short so thats all for now.

Interesting. I have had quite an interest in dream yoga. Lately though I'm starting to doubt the purpose -I know that the theory behind Dream yoga is that "everything is an illusion" - however if you read eg. Thomas Campbell, William Buhlman - OBE'rs. They also acknowledge that everything is an illusion in the sense that there is so much more "out there"/"in there" (depending on what you believe).
But -allthough we may live an illusion, then we might be here for a purpose - the reason could very well be to raise our consciousness and to learn from the "school of life" - everyday we are put in situations with other people interacting - and the decisions we make in the interaction plays a big part in what we get out of life. I mean: it is very easy to get so into spirituality that we forget about real life, and become detached. If that happens your life doesn't serve it's purpose. I know this is very much a question of belief, but I believe it is important to get a good mix of things - it is important to be aware of the consequenses of the actions you take, because you know there is a greater meaning to it. Thats the great thing about spirituality, but it is also important to not lead a detached life, if you want to know learn anything from life, which is going to evolve your consciousness and make you grow in your eternal (after)life.

Shiva Sutras on the four states of consciousness. (Swami Lakshmanjoo translation)

1.7 For the awakend one, the three differentiated states of waking, dreaming and sleeping dissolve and become One in the state of Turiya, transcendent awareness.
1.8 The waking state consists of differentiated (dualistic) knowledge.
1.9 The dreaming state consists of internal perceptions and thoughts.
1.10 The sleep state consists of forgetfulness and negation of awareness.
1.11 One who becomes identified with the oneness of consciousness (turiya) becomes one with all states, becomes master of the Self (organic energies) and enjoys unqualified bliss.

More to follow

Originally Posted by kulananda

1.7 For the awakend one, the three differentiated states of waking, dreaming and sleeping dissolve and become One in the state of Turiya, transcendent awareness.

I'm not saying I'm a master or anything, but when you know waking and dreaming are the same thing, it can really screw with your lucids. Often I'll be dreaming and notice my rules of dream control in action, which tips me off and reminds me of the control I'm capable of. But since those rules of dream control work the same way in RL, I mistake the dream for RL. Technically, I can't call that a lucid, even though I wouldn't have done anything differently had I thought it was a dream.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I'm not saying I'm a master or anything, but when you know waking and dreaming are the same thing, it can really screw with your lucids. Often I'll be dreaming and notice my rules of dream control in action, which tips me off and reminds me of the control I'm capable of. But since those rules of dream control work the same way in RL, I mistake the dream for RL. Technically, I can't call that a lucid, even though I wouldn't have done anything differently had I thought it was a dream.

Very interesting.
I think the masters would say that RL and DL are (nearly) the same. i think the thing to do would be to establish stability in the Unity of Consciousness, the Reality, whatever that is. The Shiva Sutras speak of the powers of conscuiousness that we all have (and need to develope). They also speak of othere aspects of waking, dreaming and sleeping, I'll post all this later.

Originally Posted by kulananda

Very interesting.
I think the masters would say that RL and DL are (nearly) the same. i think the thing to do would be to establish stability in the Unity of Consciousness, the Reality, whatever that is. The Shiva Sutras speak of the powers of conscuiousness that we all have (and need to develope). They also speak of othere aspects of waking, dreaming and sleeping, I'll post all this later.

Good luck on your mastery!

Aspects of Pure Consciousness (from Tattwa Shuddhi and Siva Sutras)
These aspects are inherent in ourselves, as we are ultimately one with the one reality

Chit Shakti: The energy of consciousness
Ananda Shakti: the energy of bliss
Iccha Shakti: the energy of will
Jnana Shakti: the energy of knowledge
Kriya Shakti: the energy of action

These are inherent in the un-manifest reality.
Manifestation brings about limitations of these powers in ourselves through Maya Shakti (power of illusion creating a sense of separateness and duality).

The five powers of illusion

Kalaa: that which limits the power to do all.
Avidya: that which limits the power to know all.
Raga: That which gives rise to seeking and discontentment.
Kaala: that which gives rise to the notion of time, change, decay and death.
Niyati: that which limits free will, gives the notion of fate, karma and destiny.

Shiva Sutras on Regaining Oneness With reality
1.12. The yogi is filled with joy filled amazement – continuously
1.13. Ones will is the will of the supreme Reality
1.14. Ones body is perceived at one with everything
1.15 All ideas of duality, illusion, enlightenment etc cease
1.19 Whatever one thinks/desires comes to pass by infusing it with willpower.
1.20,21 One becomes master of the five elements, can heal the sick and perform seeming miracles

These are some verses from Siva Sutras.