Thread: Dream Sharing

I am very interested in shared dreaming. There is no scientific proof that our brains have any kind of telepathic connection but all these people on dream views is irrefutable proof that there is something going on. Perhaps there is a system built into our minds that has the ability to connect with other minds that has been lost to us or that our brains are so good at computing that they can predict what other people are going to dream but that isn't very plausible to me. We are definitely connected on a hire level but there must be a connection in the brain because dreams are after all, all inside the brain. Whatever the case there has to be something going on. When I get consistent enough at lucid dreaming I will try and share a dream with someone. Its sort of sad but its so hard to prove lucid dreaming to the public even if its fairly easy to prove it on the personal level.

I agree with WakingNomad. Why wait for scientists to do something they don't even believe?

And about the friends thing, I've managed to drift away from my school-age friends and towards intelligent, open-minded friends. Three of my friends think shared dreaming is possible/plausible, and ALL of my friends think Lucid Dreaming is absolutely real, some happen to do it themselves!

I guess I was lucky with them, so we're trying some shared dreaming.

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

I agree with WakingNomad. Why wait for scientists to do something they don't even believe?

And about the friends thing, I've managed to drift away from my school-age friends and towards intelligent, open-minded friends. Three of my friends think shared dreaming is possible/plausible, and ALL of my friends think Lucid Dreaming is absolutely real, some happen to do it themselves!

I guess I was lucky with them, so we're trying some shared dreaming.

Tell them to post on DV!

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Tell them to post on DV!

My friend who is a more avid LD is already on DV, but the rest just dream for dream's sake. I'll be sure to post my experiences in my DJ, and I'll have my friend do the same.

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

My friend who is a more avid LD is already on DV, but the rest just dream for dream's sake. I'll be sure to post my experiences in my DJ, and I'll have my friend do the same.

looking forward to it

Hey...
Before I discuss my opinion I'd like to let you know that I've not made up my mind on whether shared dreaming is possible or not...
There's no absolute proof...That's why,in my opinion,it can't happen...
Here's the thing...
Let's say,in life,I want to meet up with you...what would I do?I would contact you and tell you where we would meet...correct?
Now,the location...what do we know about it? Well...obviously,it exists...Its a real place,it has a fixed position in the world marked by longitude and latitude coordinates...
Hmm...Couldn't say the same thing about a dream,could you?
Lets say this...your dreaming-subconscious is your house...You can do whatever you want there,you can create whatever you want...but you can't leave it,can you?...Leave where?
If you were to somehow 'leave' your 'house' and 'visit' your friend's 'house' it would literally be Inception (dying to see it...no time to) where you're hacking into someone's subconscious...
Well...alright,some people say we are somehow telepathically connected...Isn't that only a theory...?
I can agree that relatives are connected,I've heard of stories where twins and relatives found each other,while being raised in different parts of the world...but we can't control it,that's the thing...There isn't a switch on our body that says "Telepathy ON"...
Look, I don't mean to insult anyone or try to start an argument or some anti-dream-sharing campaign...I'm only saying what I know from my knowledge and beliefs...
If you think otherwise or have convincing proof,I'd be glad to hear it...
Hope this isn't ruining anyone's day
Sam

Now,the location...what do we know about it? Well...obviously,it exists...Its a real place,it has a fixed position in the world marked by longitude and latitude coordinates...
Hmm...Couldn't say the same thing about a dream,could you?
Lets say this...your dreaming-subconscious is your house...You can do whatever you want there,you can create whatever you want...but you can't leave it,can you?...Leave where?
If you were to somehow 'leave' your 'house' and 'visit' your friend's 'house' it would literally be Inception (dying to see it...no time to) where you're hacking into someone's subconscious...
Well...alright,some people say we are somehow telepathically connected...Isn't that only a theory...?

Check this out:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f61/shared...-theory-94502/

And this:

http://www.dreamviews.com/f19/shared...eption-100263/

Maybe that would be a more solid approach? because you can meet in the non-physical location of the location in the physical world than move on to higher plains together!

Ok, i know everyone posted their comments a long time ago, but i have been thinking about this for quite a while now. The movie inception opened up my eyes to this topic as well.
The first thing that i was wondering was ok, is it possible. For one thing, there are many factors that you must consider.
1.How would you get to sleep
2.How would you know that you are in your dream?
3.How will you even remember you dream when you are done?
4.How will you get done, and what will put you in the "dream" state in the first place?
5.How will your dream be set up? (who what when,where, and why?) and how would you choose that?
6.How would you enter someone elses dream if they are dreaming? hence the sharing part?

One thing that i am wondering is people think.. I would want it to feel real in my dream. But what if possibly it is real completely to you. as real as can be, you just can't remember that it was real. You would have to stimulate some part of the brain boosting its function, such as how well you can remember things.


Comment if you understand this.

Originally Posted by dan26114

Ok, i know everyone posted their comments a long time ago, but i have been thinking about this for quite a while now. The movie inception opened up my eyes to this topic as well.
The first thing that i was wondering was ok, is it possible. For one thing, there are many factors that you must consider.
1.How would you get to sleep
2.How would you know that you are in your dream?
3.How will you even remember you dream when you are done?
4.How will you get done, and what will put you in the "dream" state in the first place?
5.How will your dream be set up? (who what when,where, and why?) and how would you choose that?
6.How would you enter someone elses dream if they are dreaming? hence the sharing part?

One thing that i am wondering is people think.. I would want it to feel real in my dream. But what if possibly it is real completely to you. as real as can be, you just can't remember that it was real. You would have to stimulate some part of the brain boosting its function, such as how well you can remember things.


Comment if you understand this.

Your thinking to much along the lines of Inception. In reality you don't need some kind of device or drugs to make you have a lucid dream. Also dreams, especialy lucid ones are usualy just as real as in waking life. You don't need an architecht to set up the dream for you or anything, your mind does all that for you. The only factor is how you share a dream with someone. Typicaly it is thought to be done through some kind of telepathic conection though it is very hard to prove and know one really knows how it works. There are theorys like WakingNomads dream plane theory. If you really want to look into shared dreaming you need to learn to lucid dream first, which is what this site is about.

you may have a lucid dream, but you cant remember the whole thing, and you should be able to think that you are completely in reality, but at the same time, you know ur not. Also. The dream might set up the dream, like place and time, but what determines that? Once you determine that, you theoretically should be able to master that and pick what you want. Also Telepathy cant exactly be proven, one can say that the brain can send out some sort of signals, but there is no way for anyone to intercept them, and if they did, why didnt the other person get his dreams? The best answer to this is technology... You analyze the brain waves of one person, and just find some way to send them through the other person, and you would be on the same page, same thought process. Although, it would have to take over their own thought process, which could be a problem...

I almost always remember my lucid dreams from the begining to the end. I don't see the need to think you are in reality because you need to be lucid. What "sets up the dream" is your mind, it is posible to incubate a dream in various ways or after becoming lucid you can simply go to whatever place or time you want. Dream sharing using technology is simply out of the question untill we have sufficient technology and understanding to be able to read what our brains are actualy thinking and be able to send information directly back to the brain. Certainly we will have this technology probly sooner than most people think but it is unecesary and your still thinking to much about the movie. Inception is just a movie and dreams don't work like that. Based off of the number of shared dreams i have read and some of my own dreams that we do have some kind of conection. I am always skepticle but it is one of those things you have to prove to yourself. I sugest you get some dream experience first. Have you had a lucid dream before? Also the dream journals of Waking Nomad and Raven Knight are great examples of the kind of shared dreaming that we are talking about.

I love lucid dreaming. I love science. But this... this is very unlikely. What's far more likely is that planning a shared dream with someone causes you to have similar dreams. If you know each other really well, it would be fairly easy for your subconscious to replicate a person and their probable actions, especially if the two of you agree on something to do together while in the shared dream. Your subconscious can create detailed landscapes for science's sake! Accurately creating your best friends personality and predicting their actions in a scenario is cake. The fact that some of you claim the dreams are not identical, but share common signs isn't proof of shared dreaming, it's proof that you are influencing each others dreams by your interactions in the day time. If you spend the day with that person, the chances of your dreams containing similar images should be more likely than not. People appear in dreams all of the time, are you claiming that these people are all real people presently in their REM-cycles? That's a bit absurd, especially because people who are awake at the time I am asleep often appear in my dreams. What's even more absurd is to say that sometimes these people are real people and sometimes they are not...

It would be interesting to test, but from everything I've read in this post, all of your experiments are full of confounds and far from scientific.

The "Global Consciousness Project" sounds more like pseudoscience than anything. They claim they are attempting to test for a collective human conscience objectively, but they are correlating two things that have nothing to do with each other and then claiming causation. First off, claiming causation is nearly impossible, especially when studying something as intangible as this. You could just as easily say God gives structure to the random numbers when certain events happen. Also, they are using random number generators as a measurement when random number generators have never been scientifically established to measure anything. What does a collective human conscience even have to do with a random number generator? NOTHING! You could just as easily say there's a fluctuating magnetic field around the Earth that causes these generators to generate structured patterns. There are endless explanations and correlations you could make, but that doesn't make them true, nor related.

I have personally fancied collective consciousness theories and such, because I don't believe in God, so I enjoy thinking about other possibilities, but I am not about to claim these things are true based on faulty experiments.

Originally Posted by Psychonautic

I love lucid dreaming. I love science. But this... this is very unlikely. What's far more likely is that planning a shared dream with someone causes you to have similar dreams. If you know each other really well, it would be fairly easy for your subconscious to replicate a person and their probable actions, especially if the two of you agree on something to do together while in the shared dream. Your subconscious can create detailed landscapes for science's sake! Accurately creating your best friends personality and predicting their actions in a scenario is cake. The fact that some of you claim the dreams are not identical, but share common signs isn't proof of shared dreaming, it's proof that you are influencing each others dreams by your interactions in the day time. If you spend the day with that person, the chances of your dreams containing similar images should be more likely than not. People appear in dreams all of the time, are you claiming that these people are all real people presently in their REM-cycles? That's a bit absurd, especially because people who are awake at the time I am asleep often appear in my dreams. What's even more absurd is to say that sometimes these people are real people and sometimes they are not...

It would be interesting to test, but from everything I've read in this post, all of your experiments are full of confounds and far from scientific.

The "Global Consciousness Project" sounds more like pseudoscience than anything. They claim they are attempting to test for a collective human conscience objectively, but they are correlating two things that have nothing to do with each other and then claiming causation. First off, claiming causation is nearly impossible, especially when studying something as intangible as this. You could just as easily say God gives structure to the random numbers when certain events happen. Also, they are using random number generators as a measurement when random number generators have never been scientifically established to measure anything. What does a collective human conscience even have to do with a random number generator? NOTHING! You could just as easily say there's a fluctuating magnetic field around the Earth that causes these generators to generate structured patterns. There are endless explanations and correlations you could make, but that doesn't make them true, nor related.

I have personally fancied collective consciousness theories and such, because I don't believe in God, so I enjoy thinking about other possibilities, but I am not about to claim these things are true based on faulty experiments.

Try shared dreaming with a good friend of yours, and tell us your results.

Originally Posted by WakingNomad

Try shared dreaming with a good friend of yours, and tell us your results.

My whole point was that in order to avoid simply influencing each other into dreaming similar things, you'd have to test shared dreaming with two people who know nothing about each other. How about you try shared dreaming with me? I currently work as a researcher for a psychology lab at my college, they are always asking me about what I'm interested in studying myself when I go to do my masters thesis. I've told them I'm very interested in sleeping and dreaming. If you are willing to work with me over the next couple years, and succeed in sharing a dream with me, I'll conduct the first true study on shared dreaming.

Originally Posted by Psychonautic

My whole point was that in order to avoid simply influencing each other into dreaming similar things, you'd have to test shared dreaming with two people who know nothing about each other. How about you try shared dreaming with me? I currently work as a researcher for a psychology lab at my college, they are always asking me about what I'm interested in studying myself when I go to do my masters thesis. I've told them I'm very interested in sleeping and dreaming. If you are willing to work with me over the next couple years, and succeed in sharing a dream with me, I'll conduct the first true study on shared dreaming.

Please read the shared dreams journal first, and tell me what you think.

Im supposed to try shared dreaming tonight with my best friend i really hope it works. Do we have to go to bed at the same time?

I know about people that have tried to share dreams, but... it is a little difficult to understand. If you believe in telepathic links, probably you will need stay all together in the same room.
I really don´t know how this could work, but I am designing a test.

4 peoples will be involve, all of them will be instructed about a place, through pictures they will need look every details about the place (example, a beach). No one else will be there, just them.
They will need to know how they will get there, how is the weather, the water and how are their swim wear, also what they will be doing there.
Everything must be exact, activities and details.
But, here come the point...
One on them, while they are doing something planed, will say 2 different words and will repeat them many times trying to be aware of them to the others.
The next day, everyone will describe what exactly what happened in the dream and they will be asked about those words.
If really exist a kind of connection, not just the place and environmental should be shared...
The peoples that participate should be very skilled in Lucid Dreams and Controlled Dreams, for me now is a little difficult.

Originally Posted by TheLoneWolf

Im supposed to try shared dreaming tonight with my best friend i really hope it works. Do we have to go to bed at the same time?

No.

Originally Posted by Chronos

I know about people that have tried to share dreams, but... it is a little difficult to understand. If you believe in telepathic links, probably you will need stay all together in the same room.
I really don´t know how this could work, but I am designing a test.

4 peoples will be involve, all of them will be instructed about a place, through pictures they will need look every details about the place (example, a beach). No one else will be there, just them.
They will need to know how they will get there, how is the weather, the water and how are their swim wear, also what they will be doing there.
Everything must be exact, activities and details.
But, here come the point...
One on them, while they are doing something planed, will say 2 different words and will repeat them many times trying to be aware of them to the others.
The next day, everyone will describe what exactly what happened in the dream and they will be asked about those words.
If really exist a kind of connection, not just the place and environmental should be shared...
The peoples that participate should be very skilled in Lucid Dreams and Controlled Dreams, for me now is a little difficult.

You don't have to sleep in the same room.

I had a dream experience in which I became lucid and called for my close friend Michael to appear. I was in a forest and another friend of mine named Lucien appeared instead. He told me that Michael was "closer than you think". I looked around and saw only trees. Then suddenly an image began to appear on the trunk of a tree and took the form of Michael's face. The image then morphed out of the tree and it was Michael. I hugged him and told him to remember our meeting.

The next morning I called Michael and told him about the dream. There was a stunned silence until he said "you have to come over to my house immediately". I drove over to his house and he took me out to his backyard. He showed me that the day before he had carved an image of his face onto a tree trunk in his yard.

Originally Posted by roswell

I had a dream experience in which I became lucid and called for my close friend Michael to appear. I was in a forest and another friend of mine named Lucien appeared instead. He told me that Michael was "closer than you think". I looked around and saw only trees. Then suddenly an image began to appear on the trunk of a tree and took the form of Michael's face. The image then morphed out of the tree and it was Michael. I hugged him and told him to remember our meeting.

The next morning I called Michael and told him about the dream. There was a stunned silence until he said "you have to come over to my house immediately". I drove over to his house and he took me out to his backyard. He showed me that the day before he had carved an image of his face onto a tree trunk in his yard.

WOW! That is so cool! Can you post a photo of that carving please?

Originally Posted by roswell

. He showed me that the day before he had carved an image of his face onto a tree trunk in his yard.

Whow... I love this

I'll post the photo as soon as one of my kids get home and help me. I'm "old school" and my computer skills suck.

There is very little I don't believe possible; I'm of the Lewis Carrol school of thought- six impossible things before breaky.

That said, to me, dream sharing the way people describe it (and this probably is the biggest flaw here) seems dubious as. I'm not waiting for proof or anything I just really don't get it. May sound corduroy jacketed and totally up tight but I really don't understand the logistics of it?