Thread: Dreams forsee the future.

Erm ... okay.

Let's say for example that your theory doesn't break causality and the general workings of physics, and step back to your odds statement.

600/1 still isn't that bad, and also your prices weren't the same, so really you'd be looking more at 1/100 (1.04 or 1.05) or even higher if you consider the fact that you've taken values with a deviation of 1 (maybe 1/67, 67 being 1/3 of 200)

Then it's closer to 200/1 which is even smaller. That's also leaving out the likelihood of any other factors that may play in to your equation.

Even suppose precognitive dreams are possible (I'm open to the possibility if it can be proved, but it's doubtful), neither this particular situation nor your theory are really valid as an argument.

Keep a record of these dreams, though, if you're hopeful that one day science will prove this possible so you can have evidence you've done it xD

yeah I suppose there's gotta be scientific evidence, another one was a dream of lots of planes canceled then the next day the Ash cloud crisis with all the planes canceled occurred, and no one woke up before me so that rules out the chance my parents discussing it while I was asleep affecting my dreams, and I had no idea about it, till I watched the news that morning, I have a dream about airplanes every two weeks or so, 1 in 14 chance a.k.a. 14/1, and the odds of the news coveraging stuff about plane crashes well it occurs probably 1 in 3 times a year, a.k.a 365/1 divided by 3 equals 122 or so, and 14/1x122/1=1,708/1, thats another e.g. but Yes I need scientific proof, maybe I can work on something, so well see.

The 2 areas your delving into here are 2 areas humanity has not made a whole lot of progress in, Dreams, and Quantum Physics. You should definitely read "The interpretation of dreams," by Sigmund Freud. But, neurons couldnt move through time, As DCross said, this violates Causality (anything moving faster than the speed of light would techinically be going reverse in time, but the only measurable example of this would be tachyons which we cannot harness to study.) but, Is possible according to Quantum Theory. However, because neurons are just brain cells, every particle contained within the cell would need to, not travel through time, but be in 2 places at once. Studies have been done with this in regards to Photons, but Quantum Chromodynamics explains the bond between quarks and gluons as increasing in strength the further the 2 parties are from eachother in space. Therefore, the possibility of an atom being in 2 places at once, would be impossible. Seems like an interesting topic though, definitely do more research on it if your interested.

yeah thanks for explaining, and I am currently watching a lot of videos and documentaries on Quantum physics at the momment and slowly but surly getting the grasp of it.

yeah, its really an incredible topic. Itll change the way you look at things for sure.

I don't think I had any dreams depict the future such as that, but I had many daydreams which have come to pass.

Lets say I was sitting in class back in high school, I was tired and/or the subject boring so I sort of nodded off for a few seconds. In the dream I would see something that makes no sense to me and it was too short to make anything about it. So I forget about it since there was no substance for me to remember it by. Then years later, I would enter a place I had never been, and I would experience deja vu. It would come back to me, the short dream I had. But it only happens when I am standing at the correct spot and seeing everything from the right angle as I did in the dream. Sometimes it is when I am doing something, such as doodling, and when I position myself just the right way, deja vu.

But I have never had a dream to depict the future events to such a scale. It's like I saw a short video of the future (3 to 4 seconds) from my point of view, but won't realize it until it happens exactly like it did in the dream. So I do not see future events like flight delays, oil spills or the winning lottery numbers.

That sounds interesting Boer, you should look more into that.

Dean, one more thing, you have to remember what dreams consist of when looking at them like this. They are basically a combination of daily events (memories) and some aspiration you have. It only makes sense, if you have a pretty solid schedule, that your mind would be going over memories of those places, which you would feel as if you were acting out once you remember them.

I did once have this dream about checking my grade for a test I had recently took, when I woke up and later checked my grade, it was the EXACT grade as in my dream.

Sad thing was, I failed

yeah that one about the ash cloud chaos stuff was a very rare one, but I do notice Déjá vu maybe a very related experience to dreams and such, but I dont know which exactly as its anyone's guess, but I do have seemingly insignificant foreseeing of the future, again today I had a dream where the price of the stuff I bought in shop was €2.65 and Today I did buy something costing €2.65 astonishing isn't it like?

I don't know if these two things were a coincidence or not, but here goes. I know this one sounds stupid but it really did happen. My sister had dreamed about getting a box of chocolate covered honey buns (you know, the honey buns you buy at the grocery store in the box). Well my mom and sister went to the grocery store the next day and actually saw a box of the chocolate covered honey buns. This was the first time we had ever seen that flavor. When my sister dreamed about them, she did not even know that they existed, then they saw them at the store the next day. That is an extremely weird coincidence.

Then a dream i had about a month ago. I work at food-lion, it is a grocery store. There are big windows in the front of the store that look out into the parking lot. In the dream, a tornado touched down in the parking lot and came through the front windows and started tearing through the store. A few days ago, i was working at food-lion. I just happen to be walking in the front of the store and i saw a big whirlwind in the parking lot. It was big enough that it took up almost half of the parking lot. It was brown because it was full of dust and dirt. Luckily, real life didn't play out exactly like the dream. But i think it is very strange that i would see a tornado out of the front windows of food-lion in a dream, and then later see a huge whirlwind out of the same windows in the same place. I'm not sure what the likely-hood of that is, but i'm sure it's not very high. Especially because whirlwinds happen at such random times and locations.

I don't know if me and my sister actually got glimpses of the future or not, but it does seem like those 2 dreams matching real life being very low probability.

my mom told me when you have dreams where you poop you will recieve money i have some dreams like this and days later i get money randomly either from an oppurtunity ie someone asking me to tutor their kid or sum thing like that and those oppourtunities barely hapen to me! so i guess dreams can tell the future or for me it's like a placebo?

Originally Posted by deanmullen10

I tend to think Dreams predict the future, I

I tend to think that the message is not the messanger--just like the prophet is not the second comming. Or again, saying that dreams predict the future is an anthropomorphism. It is as spooky as people who say "This book says. . . . "

I too have seen things that came to pass--and one or two I wish I never did.

However, like much of what happens in Lucid Deaming, it is suppose to provoke thought--not gibberish.

What is the definition of sentience? Is there any similarity in the definition of prophecy and Logic? What is the fundamental principle of grammer itself?

How can you use the definition of sentience to prove what men call unprovable?

Well, then, what are the odds that one can take a hint and do some real thinking about very important events in one's life?

I had a dream that a random cat came to my house, it was all messed up and dying. the next day, my cousins cat died.
I had a dream where there was someone lying on the floor, panicing, and it looked like they were dead. Later that day, my grandma fell and went to the hospital,
coincidence

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

What is the fundamental principle of grammer itself?

Ummm.. correct spelling?

Glad that caught your attenton, now see if we can wade beyond the dew.

What can you make out of an old myth about the rice and the chaff?

At any rate, one will have to do better to set bench marks for pedantry.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

Glad.. SNIP yadda yadda SNIP.. pedantry.

Well.. if you could rewrite that in english, you might push your barb home better.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Well.. if you could rewrite that in english, you might push your barb home better.

English---genius.

And if you are looking for a barb, I am not your type.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

English---genius.

And if you are looking for a barb, I am not your type.

Listen, bro. In case it wasn't obvious, nearly nobody here can understand half a word you say. Shouldn't that tell you something? If you are unable to "dumb it down" for the rest of us underdeveloped peons, please just go away. State what you have to state in a way that makes sense. Otherwise, you look like a smug prick and are only making a fool of yourself. You aren't provoking deep thought, and you aren't challenging anyone's way of thinking. Cut the jargon, cut the bullcrap, and we may finally be able to get somewhere.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Listen, bro. In case it wasn't obvious, nearly nobody here can understand half a word you say. Shouldn't that tell you something? If you are unable to "dumb it down" for the rest of us underdeveloped peons, please just go away. State what you have to state in a way that makes sense. Otherwise, you look like a smug prick and are only making a fool of yourself. You aren't provoking deep thought, and you aren't challenging anyone's way of thinking. Cut the jargon, cut the bullcrap, and we may finally be able to get somewhere.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

Agreeeeeeeeeeeeeed!

To tell you the truth, I do not understand your complaints. It looks simple enough to me. The entire idea is so simple it hurts.

If what you are saying is true, it is no wonder people could not see the grammar system Plato and a few others were working with, when his entire dialogs is based on it. It is no wonder gibberish has been taught as grammar. If Aristotle had understood Plato, it would be different, but Aristotle was not that bright.

Look, I am trying to write a grammar book, to explain it all. It should be very simple, however, I have a full time job, single parent of a 9 year old jedi, making auido-books, cooking, cleaning, ripping off the internet. bla, bla, bla, and I have spent years looking for someone who would not mind watering down things for me. NO LUCK.

Bro, I'm gonna break this down real simple like for you:

What can you make out of an old myth about the rice and the chaff?

What the hell is this supposed to mean? Is it an allusion to something? I honestly don't know. It's not mainstream, whatever the hell it is.

At any rate, one will have to do better to set bench marks for pedantry.

I graduated with A's in AP literature, and aced the subsequent test, and I still had to do a google search on pedantry, which is "an ostentatious and inappropriate display of learning." Your sentence now reads "At any rate, one will have to do better to set bench marks for an ostentatious and inappropriate display of learning." I still don't know what the fuck that means.

I tend to think that the message is not the messanger--just like the prophet is not the second comming. Or again, saying that dreams predict the future is an anthropomorphism. It is as spooky as people who say "This book says. . . . "

What is up with the second coming thing? I have no idea what to make of that. And the bit with the anthropomorphism...your sentence literally reads "Or again, saying that dreams predict the future is an object represented as having human traits." What? Are you trying to say that predicting the future is a human trait, and that dreams are not a part of human nature? If so, just say so! Cut out the damn big words. You're giving me google overload syndrome.

I too have seen things that came to pass--and one or two I wish I never did.

This is something I'm fairly sure I understand. More like this, please.

However, like much of what happens in Lucid Deaming, it is suppose to provoke thought--not gibberish.

This is an opinion, and as such, should not be treated as fact. Your personal experiences have led you to this conclusion. Instead, I would recommend beginning that statement with "I think." The word "gibberish" I find a bit condescending, too. Are my dreams worthless sacks of manure because they don't provoke some deep thought? I find that offensive, sir.

What is the definition of sentience? Is there any similarity in the definition of prophecy and Logic? What is the fundamental principle of grammer itself?

Sentience, as defined by the Merriam-Webster dictionary: feeling or sensation as distinguished from perception and thought.
Prophecy, as defined by the same source: the function or vocation of a prophet; specifically : the inspired declaration of divine will and purpose; OR, a prediction of something to come.
Logic, as defined by the same source: a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning.
So, by taking the definitions of logic and prophecy and comparing them...you have predicting things to come on one side, and formal principles of reasoning on the other. Apples to oranges. What are you trying to get at, here?

And what is this goddamn fixation on grammar all about? Grammar -- the characteristic system of inflections and syntax of a language. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this have understanding at its root? In other words, the idea is that within a language, there is a set structure of how words fit together, in order to create meaningful sentences and statements? So, as long as we can understand each other, we don't have a problem. What seems to be happening, though, is that while your sentences are usually grammatically correct on a technical level, you use so much jargon and abstract reasoning that it is nearly incoherent to the rest of us. If this is derived as a result of reading too much Plato, I suggest you lay off the philosophy and try living like a normal human being for a change. You can have the most brilliant mind on the planet, but unless someone can understand you, it doesn't matter.

How can you use the definition of sentience to prove what men call unprovable?

How is this even related?

Well, then, what are the odds that one can take a hint and do some real thinking about very important events in one's life?

Now this just makes you sound like a smug, condescending bastard. What's more, it's still hard to understand. And furthermore, it's still unrelated to the OP.

Here is a question for you: you claim to understand Plato's grammar system. How do you know you do? What makes you so sure you have it figured out? And why the hell do you talk like you do? Your last post was easy to understand. Mostly. Why can't they all be that way? Why must you drag bible illusions into everything you post, and keep cryptically bringing up some archaic grammar system that still hasn't been properly explained in any way that makes a lick of sense? You bash the education system constantly, looking down on it (and all educated by it) as if it were some small insect in need of squashing. The education system is not perfect, but its job is to prepare people for the real world, not to try and understand Plato's warped grammar. In that respect, it does well. There are 8 planets in our solar system, amoxicllin is an antibiotic, and cars work on the principle of combustion. Simple enough. Valid applications in the real world. I'm going into pharmacy, personally. Would you like to explain to me how reading Plato makes me a better pharmacist? My job is to care for my patients and fill prescriptions, not solve the mysteries of the English language. When I feel like brushing up on my philosophy, I'll do so in my own time, when I'm not making society a better place. It has no place in my formal structured schooling.

Mario, I had hoped you were joking, but I see you are mystified. You want to see something that is difficult, or was for me? Check out my Delian Quest--It took me ten years to figure out the Delian Problem, no one else, in 2500 years was able to.

http://www.archive.org/details/The_D...st_062308_2008

Now that is what I called somewhat difficult.

Secondly, all information processed in the human mind is processed by a grammar system of which there are two primitive categories--tautologics and relatiologics. The fact that how you think determines what you do was behind the Platonic dialogs---and the Judeo-Christian Scripture (mark on the forehead and hands is a metaphor for it) and it is something you should have learned in school. Or did you somehow believe that grammar is just the limited concept to what you learned in school?

First id like to say I find your use of pedantry ironic.

But this is getting a bit out of hand and completely off topic, this has somehow gone from a dream topic, to Mario calling out philosopher, to philosopher talking about grammar. The fuck? The point is, if you cant get your point across without a blindingly shiny wrapper of grammatical bull shit then you don't really have a point at all do you?

To be honest, this thread isn't about how smart you suggest you are, or how philosophical either. There's a time and a place for that, the place is the philosophy section, and the time is whenever there's a thread warranting it. He was just trying to say nobody knows what the hell you're trying to say, and it isn't because you're so fucking smart and were so fucking stupid either.

and justy who the fuck are you? You think your display of stupidity is special?

I lay perfectly beautiful ideas at your feet and try to make me feel like Jane Goodall the first time she stepped into the woods. .