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Adding:

• Emotional processing practice (FFEDOCIDA - face, feel, expand, dissipate, opposites, coalesce, integrate, decide, take action)

I agree, the feeling tends to mean so much more than the events themselves. The feeling, in a somewhat paradoxical sense, has great practical application. It can readily transfer into waking life and provide meaningful motivation.

Yes, the guide was basically existence. Or I suppose that was my intention. I like the way you put it, "a changing embodiment". Basically, the dream as a whole is a guide, like life. That distills it down too much, as you touched on, but is a part of it. Significance itself is more to the point. Recognizing what is significant to you in the moment naturally leads to deeper understanding of the "next step". Then it comes back to exploring the self to transform and drop the self.

There was a kind of "certainty that there is no need to fear", as you say. I would describe it more like the fear might be there, but simultaneously this depth of gratitude and connection could be there as well. Be me as well. That happened to an extent with the cat.

I think you have experienced it in other ways, though I imagine what you meant are these higher-feeling states. I've experienced it with skepticism, for example. Specifically, I used to be less aware of perspectives and become identified with an author of whatever I was reading. Then I differentiated from the author and saw the pieces of wisdom as well as the pieces of bullcrap with more clarity. That differentiation would occur more and more often, then it became second nature. Though it was second nature, it didn't occur 100% of the time, but probably 95% or so. That example is oversimplified, but it is generally one of the ways I've experienced growth from a state to a stage. I suppose that was going from green to yellow on an interpersonal cognitive line, to put it in Wilberese.

I'll just talk freely because these subjects are not always easy. I think what is affirming about it is the way you approached it and how you had that sort of spiritual experience. I have read two of Ken Wilber's books and so I just assumed our approach to spirituality had things in common. Sometimes people just have a dream where a dream guide or something tells them what to do, but it doesn't have that mood to it that makes the dreamer know something meaningful happened. But here you have a dream that is all about feeling. It's that feeling of bliss and just comfort with what is arising. I have had both, I've had some where a DC might have said something interesting, but there is nothing to it to really affirm it. I've had some accompanied by the positive feeling, and those are the ones that really get your attention.

The only time I ever think I met anything close to my spirit guide, it was a fleeting moment and the guide didn't try to tell me anything. It just sort of held calm conversation, with a great attitude, sort of leading me by example (guiding, not teaching). I have had dreams that I think are spiritual in nature, where the feeling inside of the dream was that of a heavenly, spiritual-realm. Anyone, any DC, can say anything. Maybe what affirms these things are the way they come across and the feelings you get.

I just had this thought, sort of on a tangent to your dream but I'll share: As our view of God changes, maybe our view of Dream Guides should change as well? If you can see God in everything, then why not see your Dream Guide in the same way? You sort of did this with the wheel of fortune wheel and the way's the guide was a changing embodiment or manifestation - answering you without hesitation, flowing like water. When not in that form, obviously in front of you, it could be seen as a sort of Holy-Ghost, spirit, that embraces everything in your dream world. And in a way, every single part of your dream can be your guide, in the same way that everything in the world can teach you. I guess something is lost there, when approaching God in that fashion, but something is gained in time as we approach these things from different angles and listen to our true selves - a certainty that there is no need to fear all those questions you had before, everything is going to be alright. Only you can't explain why you were so certain, you only know that you were. And that feeling too, is fleeting.

But I agree, with growth states can be made into more permanent stages (I just haven't really experienced it yet and I think for most of us, we just get glimpses).

It did feel life-changing, in that that feeling makes much more sense to me and feels not only like a key to happiness, but also a key to understanding. It brings compassion to a new qualitative level.

I'd be interested to know more about the things you mentioned kind of affirm things for you.

Yeah, the fleetingness of feelings can also grow to a hum of understanding that is pretty much constant, though, I think. It seems like that is how growth goes.

Wow, that is a life-changing dream. I know what you mean about the bliss-feeling in dreams. I have been wanting to make my days more like this carefree feeling. This is one of the best examples of spirituality coming out in a dream that I've ever come across. A lot of it kind of affirms some things I have felt in dreams and what I connect them with as far as spirituality goes. It's like the dream can show us what is possible and can have a spiritual-realm feeling to it. I don't know, hard to explain but there is something there. I think when you are at peace IRL, or you get past some things that are bothering you, dreams will naturally be more blissful. When your mind isn't filled with the "bad" stuff - anxieties, worries, fears, all that's left to come out naturally is the good stuff - gratitude/bliss. And what Buddha would perhaps have said is our natural state when we take care of our minds - happiness. These feelings seem to always be fleeting however.

Yeah I had to check it out with a title about the higher self. Thats awesome you have been able to maintain that feeling. I'm sure it wont fade, if anything you can always give yourself the experience again through some deep meditation or hopefully even another lucid. I definitely plan to work with some delta binaural before bed and if I can pull off meditating in a dream i'll let you know how it went

It felt amazing! Thanks for reading and replying. Yeah, so far there seems to be a correlation between using binarual (delta) beats right before sleep and having powerful lucid dreams. "Seems to be" being the operative phrase; I haven't tested it enough. I wonder if there's relevant research out there. A couple of people I know meditate in dreams regularly and recommend it highly, let me know how it turns out if you want!

I think the most beautiful thing about the dream was that that feeling of gratitude has persisted into waking life. Experiencing it in the dream and identifying it has allowed me to remember it and embody it. I hope it doesn't fade too much, but deep gratitude will always be something I can recall in certain times.

That dream sounds amazing, I would love to try and communicate with the higher self as well as meditate in a dream. Great ideas. Sounds like you experienced something very beautiful, awesome dream. I may have to try meditating with binaural beats before bed, I still have yet to experiment with them at all

Hehe, it was fun. Love enjoying dreams.

Haha, fun! A good dream.

Fascinating! What vivid and powerful imagery. That grand mountain, holding in an even grander vastness of water. Then the simple breaking and almost unimaginably powerful wave. I look forward to reading more.

Had this dream about a year ago I think: There was this mountain island out in the middle of the ocean. Only in the middle of it, was a lake inside the mountain. The water pretty much came to the edges of the mountain. Houses and roads were built into the side of the mountain, and on the flat beach part was a metropolitan city with very tall buildings. But the mountain was huge, at least Himalayas size, and it had all that water inside it like a bowl, and somehow the water stayed miles and miles above sea level.

Towards the end this big truck with a big trailer went off the road high up the mountain, and when it did it just opened a hole in the side. As it dragged down the road got jerked too and the hole got bigger as the supports ripped out of the mountainside. So the water started to come through, and this made a domino effect. I started flying away as the whole city was being destroyed and all that water came pouring out. The wave was at least a mile high and it was quite unsettling and surreal. Was in and out of lucidity on this one.

Look forward to hearing more of your dreams, And I'll try to keep mine updated too.

Thanks for pointing out that it was beautiful. It was, now that I think of it in that light more (I tend to have nightmares about being at the mercy of tidal waves so dreams involving waves can get overshadowed). The beginning was a calm exploration, with a still sea...yeah, very nice indeed. The dream you had of flying with the wave sounds like one of those wonderfully exhilarating dreams. Love those!

Interesting and beautiful. Wish I had more ocean and beach dreams. I have dreamt once of a HUGE wave that though I was flying freely it was right up there with me. Very intense and amazing when that happens. I would love to dream of swimming in the ocean and walking with feet in the water on the shoreline, with nice people and to see some sea creatures, like the beginning of this!