Thread: spd's workbook

Ah I see how that can help, thanks, fogelbise!

Different "levels" of lucidity are caused by level of awareness. So indeed, as fogelbise says getting better daytime awareness by paying more attention to what we are doing during day, RCing and examining our surroundings, constantly asking "wow, am I dreaming"? will help you have better awareness/lucidity in a LD. Good luck.

Ok thanks
Also I am interested to hear your opinions on vitamin b6 gor lucid dreaming? Do you guys have any experience with it or other similar lucid aids?

I am not sure if gab does...but I have no experience with supplements yet. Do a search on DV or start a thread (*which will also give "similar threads" which may answer your question).

Thanks fogelbise will do Also do you guys have any tips to focus on your mantra (and visualisation) when I am repeating it? When I repeat it my mind usually wanders on to other thoughts and a few seconds later I realise I stopped saying my mantra or the wording of it has changed. I usually do my mantra and visualisation after I feel myself drifting off from the 61 point relaxation technique

Originally Posted by spd

Thanks fogelbise will do Also do you guys have any tips to focus on your mantra (and visualisation) when I am repeating it? When I repeat it my mind usually wanders on to other thoughts and a few seconds later I realise I stopped saying my mantra or the wording of it has changed. I usually do my mantra and visualisation after I feel myself drifting off from the 61 point relaxation technique

Perhaps do all or some of the mantra and visualization prior to the relaxation technique while you are more awake to allow focus. Is the relaxation technique needed in order for you to get back to sleep?

Good idea, I can sleep easily without it so I think I will try leaving it out. I could be flexible and use it before the mantra in the nights that I can't go to sleep easily

And on a side note I just bought some 100 mg vitamin b6 tablets today so I will experiment to see its effects on my recall amd dreams :O

Originally Posted by spd

I could be flexible and use it before the mantra in the nights that I can't go to sleep easily

Good luck! Let us know if you notice anything with the b6 as well.

Ok so I had 100 mg of b6 an hour before bed and I went to bed at roughly 11:30 I drank two cups of water and woke up at 3:55 where I stayed up for 40 minutes for my wbtb. During this time I didn't recall any dreams However, in my wbtb I read over my dream journal, thought about lucid dreaming and took another 100 mg of Vitamin b6. When I woke up in the morning I believe I remembered 4 dreams but after getting up I could two and some fragments so it seems to be pretty good. I will experiment with 100- 500 mg but I plan on taking the b6 2-3 times a week.

I didn't have a lucid dream but I think I may of been close to a WILD/DEILD after my wbtb. I had a dream where my friend had me in a leg lock and was twisting my ankle. I was telling him to stop but he wouldn't I could feel my ankle in bed was in a weird position so I repositioned my legs IWl and the dream ended. I was conscious now and I could see a visual image forming of my room from birds eye view and there was a desk lamp in my room which isn't there IWL but I think I was focusing on the image to much and fully woke up

Also I have read the article on sporadic awareness technique and I like the looks of it so I have started practicing it as of today.

also you seem to be increasing your lucid count very fast now fogelbise so good job and thanks for the help you and gab have been giving me =)

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You're welcome!

I didn't have a lucid dream but I think I may of been close to a WILD/DEILD after my wbtb. I had a dream where my friend had me in a leg lock and was twisting my ankle. I was telling him to stop but he wouldn't I could feel my ankle in bed was in a weird position so I repositioned my legs IWl and the dream ended. I was conscious now and I could see a visual image forming of my room from birds eye view and there was a desk lamp in my room which isn't there IWL but I think I was focusing on the image to much and fully woke up

How many hours into your sleep did this occur?

Shortly after my wbtb so I went to sleep at roughly 11:30 woke up.3:55 so about 4.5 hours after my wbtb my last thoughts were repeating my mantra then the next thing I remembered was my friend twisting my ankle haha

also I have downloaded all the dv podcasts from itunes and will probably start attempting tasks of the month in feb. I am also taking 200 mg of b6 before bed tonight so I will tell you how that goes

Ok so I recalled two dreams last night, with one of them being the longest one I have recorded.

After my wbtb I think I might of gotten close to an accidental WILD again. I was repeating my mantra and then I suddenly became conscious in a mini dream of me playing basketball by myself at school which lasted about 10-20 seconds. I tried to not focus on it and then I tried to open my "dream eyes" and I saw about 3 photograph like images of my room like a slide show and then I got excited and woke up fully.

The funny thing was about one of lastnights dreams is that after my failed WILD I rc'd for a false awakening. my dream had also started off with me attempting a WILD. All I could see was a gold and white lights covering my whole visual field and I felt sleep paralysis really intensly so I woke myself up. The funny and frustrating thing was that after I woke up from this WILD I didn't reality check for a false awakening, even though when I woke up I was standing upright and that struck me as odd hahaha! Its hilarious looking back at it. The rest of the dream continued out to be quite long for me and I might post it later.

After waking up I affirmed to myself that I was close to a lucid dream and that I should of gotten lucid so that and reality checking when I wake up should help me spot FA's

I also came across Oreos Day Dream Awareness thread which looks like very good stuff that I can fit in my daily routine and pair up with my mantra at night

After waking up I affirmed to myself that I was close to a lucid dream

Indeed! And 10-20 seconds for a mini-dream is significant, that may have been a lucid dream in NREM or at the beginning of REM where you changed the scene into a bit of a void when you tried to open your dream eyes. Did it seem like you couldn't just stay with the basketball dream and wait for it to solidify? Either way, that is good progress!

it felt like I was watching myself play basketball and as soon as it started to fade I realised I was conscious in the dream, I just didn't question reality. After the dream ended I could still feel SP so I attempted to open my dream eyes and that's when I saw the images flick by. Perhaps I was in the void and maybe I should of stayed in there a bit more or tried walking around in it. Ah well its progress and it was good experimenting with if I was ready to enter a WILD or not

last night was not to good for me in terms of recall. I think it may of been due to stress. My phone stopped working when I got home from work at about 11:30 so I kinda freaked out a bit haha so when I went to bed I didn't really think about my mantra much and barely said it. I also woke up during the night, but basically just went to the toilet and back to sleep. I couldn't remember anything when I woke up, but looking at myself in the mirror when I was brushing reminded me of a fragment of me getting a really bad, haircut and me opening the pantry reminded me of a fragment where I was looking at some coffee so it wasn't to bad I guess but yeah just a bit unlucky. On a side not my phone is working now and I am still motivated for tonight :O

That's great that you were able to recover those 2 fragments later despite the stress heading to bed. Yes, on that previous night's basketball scene turned something, if you could have waited out the SP feeling, you may have been able to LD...but good progress either way. Could you describe what the SP felt like? Some people use that term for a variety of sensations.

Thanks, I noticed my mind seems to do that now, recalling fragments sometimes of dreams Ive had years ago because of something I do or even think during the day

Yeah I will try, I felt a tingling feeling travel through my arms and my body and legs. The buzzing noises in my ears got louder and my chest felt much heavier it felt like I couldn't move but I think if I actually willed myself to move I could with sone effort.

Yes, it definitely sounds like you were close to entering the dream (or re-entering). If you have any questions on the differences between SP and HHs check this out: http://www.dreamviews.com/wake-initi...explained.html

That's great! I will check the thread out. I have had sleep paralysis three times throughout my life (all last year) which is why I sort of knew it was it haha

Also I think my recall is improving more! Last night I remembered 2 dreams and one fragment and I didn't take any b6. I think soon I will be able to remember on average two dreams a night instead of one

Ok so lastnight while repeating my mantra in my wbtb I got an accidental WILD attempt which I succeeded in! I felt sleep paralysis happen and I found myself in a very dark long hallway. I got kind of creeped out so for some reason I woke myself up but I immediately closed my eyes and stayed relaxed and entered a DEILD! The dream scene had changed where I was talking to these blue skin creatures with armour. They looked really angry for some reason and I tried freezing one for perhaps 20 seconds all the while he was glaring at me angrily with steam coming off him but they didn't attack me haha. I eventually froze him and the dream continued lucid but I forgot the rest. I also remembered a non-lucid dream and a fragment so that's the third time in four days I have remembered a good chunk if not all of 2 dreams a night and the only day I didn't was the day I was stressed out but got the two fragments. This has shown me that I can WILD and DEILD so that's exciting. I think I have found a routine that works for me now since I got close to WILD'ing twice this week from attempting a MILD. So I will continue repeating my mantra when I go to sleep then during my wbtb repeat my mantra and do visualisation and then I have a chance of getting a WILD or if I fall asleep I still have that chance of getting a MILD too, the two techniques compliment eachother! I guess now its just about increasing awareness and memory but yeah lastnight was very exciting

Also I took your advice on taking a break from practices on the weekend so I don't burn myself out and get tired of my daily routine, I still kept up my nighttime routine and dream journaling though

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Awesome! Keep up the good work!! Congrats on the WILD & DEILD!!

guess now its just about increasing awareness and memory but yeah lastnight was very exciting

Exactly! Awareness work can start with something as simple as periodically stopping and really considering "what if this is a dream!" You can also tag onto the end of that "practicing" what you would do when lucid, like stabilization and goals. Sageous' RRC combines self awareness & memory.

I see thanks =) is there a link to sageous's rrc? I have been trying to get better at All Day Awareness and Sporadic Awareness Technique. I will occasionally do some Day Dream Awareness as well. Its been hot the past few nights and I am getting all my homework done because I'm starting school tomorrow so its a little busy now but I still was pretty close to getting lucid in a day nap and tomorrow I will be fully involved in my pracices again!

Sure, there is an overview here: http://www.dreamviews.com/wild/13181...prep-part.html

There has been some more recent back and forth regarding ADA that suggests that you need not throw that out.

ah thanks! Yeah that makes sense, its can get pretty exhausting practicing that anyway and I like the idea of focusing on self awareness too so I will read it properly now

Last night was an unusual night but more bad luck than anything else haha. I went to bed 10:25 woke up 4:10 for a wbtb, had school the next day so I only did a 20 minute wbtb so I could get a good amounts sleep and I stayed up repeating my mantra and stuff all the way till 7 O'clock when I had to get ready for school lol Maybe it was because at one stage I had my light off and I was putting my phone on the charger just when I was going to bed and the light nearly blinded me so no recall sadly.

Also I started a workbook in Sivason's Dream Yoga class so that will be a good help