Relation of De ja vu to dreaming

[Billyg126]

Recently, i've been experiencing above avg de ja vu i predict that ive seen all of these things before in dreams but dont remember dreaming them. i also then remembered every dream isnt lucid and are basically virtual realitys that go on in your head. perhaps the thing that starts the chain of events experienced during de ja vu were dreamed but when it triggers, you change the memory dream to what is currently happening. What do u guys think about this hypothesis?

[The Cusp]

Yeah, I agree. Google "Deja Reve" Awhile back I the automatic response that used to be "Whoa, I've seen this before" became "Whoa, I've dreamed this before". It wasn't something conscious, I hadn't been contemplating it, I just instinctively knew that deja vu moment originated from a dream I couldn't recall.

[Billyg126]

Yes exactly or you get up and think "why did i just dream about that" and a few weeks later your like "was that what i..."

[The Cusp]

No, I never remember the dream, or anything that would even suggest this is the case, it's just what pops into my head "I've dreamed this before"

[Spyguy]

Same here. When I have deja vu's I always feel as if I have seen them in a dream. I don't have them that much anymore these days When I was younger, I had deja vu's that lasted for several seconds, allowing me to predict what would be said and done. That was totally epic

[Billyg126]

Same here. When I have deja vu's I always feel as if I have seen them in a dream. I don't have them that much anymore these days When I was younger, I had deja vu's that lasted for several seconds, allowing me to predict what would be said and done. That was totally epic Yes exactly. What if perhaps all of de ja vu is actually from dreaming. Does this mean that de ja vu does not even exist without dreams?

[The Cusp]

So if dreams effect reality to cause deja vu, and what we experience in reality effects our dreams... *Head explodes*

[Spyguy]

Well, two things are possible here. Either something we see gets added to our dream memory for some reason we don't know. However, I find that hard to believe, because then I wouldn't have known actions in advance durings earlier deja vu's. The other option is that we do in fact see them in our dreams, which means the future is already written, or at least parts of it are already certain. I find that last thought very disturbing.

[Billyg126]

maybe humans used to have a much more powerful 6th sense and over evolution the only part left is in our dreams and only few still hold a strong 6th sense who knows?

[Sageous]

Okay, before we all head off into another magical mystery tour here... Though I'm not sure anyone has fully figured out how deja vu occurs, lest me offer up a less mystical, and much more scientifically accepted, explanation (which I think -- but am not sure -- was started by Einstein, of all people): Deja-vu is nothing more than a "brain hiccup." It happens when the wiring for your perception briefly gets crossed with the wiring for your short-term memory, and you find yourself "remembering" and event at the exact same time that it is happening. In other words, you're remembering the image before you had a chance to consciously view it. And of course, since the memory is vague and obviously not of something that happened before (aka dream-like), you decide -- perhaps strongly insist -- that you've "dreamed" it, even though you never remember having this dream before that moment. This all happens very quickly, but if you ever catch someone having a moment of deja-vu, you'll notice that they pause oddly for a second while their mind recovers from its hiccup. And yes, Spyguy, people who often have deja-vu will start predicting what's going to happen in the next few seconds when the phenomenon occurs. Trouble is, their prediction is always just a moment too late, when it is said out loud. Do you really remember telling everyone what they were going to say before they said it, or do you remember predicting what was going to be said, and then being amazed when that happened? There is a big difference there. So, before we start discussing creating reality, predetermined futures, and other fantastic, very fun things, it might be good to look at a more earthy explanations first. It sucks, I know, but sometimes the basic explanation is the correct one, and, even if it isn't (or isn't worth considering, since it's a lousy stepping-stone to cosmic conversation), it ought to be included. Sorry.

[Billyg126]

I see what you mean and love that Beatles album. How come though the de ja vu acourence is caused by twisting wires, are there any other phenomena caused by twisting wire

[Sageous]

I see what you mean and love that Beatles album. How come though the de ja vu acourence is caused by twisting wires, are there any other phenomena caused by twisting wire As far as I know, the "why" behind the crossed wires is as yet unknown. The brain is so incredibly complex that they're still having a time trying to decipher the "uncrossed" processes, much less oddities like deja-vu. I would bet that there are a few other phenomena caused by slight malfunctions in neural circuitry, particularly in the hallucinations and neurosis departments, but I personally can't name any (I learned about deja-vu years ago because I specifically looked into it, and not neural malfunctions in general). That said, in a truly literal way, LD'ing itself could be a result of crossed wires. We're not, after all, naturally meant to have waking awareness in a dream, so aren't we ripping out and mixing and matching a few of our minds' wires when we force it to happen?

[Spyguy]

Okay, before we all head off into another magical mystery tour here... Though I'm not sure anyone has fully figured out how deja vu occurs, lest me offer up a less mystical, and much more scientifically accepted, explanation (which I think -- but am not sure -- was started by Einstein, of all people): Deja-vu is nothing more than a "brain hiccup." It happens when the wiring for your perception briefly gets crossed with the wiring for your short-term memory, and you find yourself "remembering" and event at the exact same time that it is happening. In other words, you're remembering the image before you had a chance to consciously view it. And of course, since the memory is vague and obviously not of something that happened before (aka dream-like), you decide -- perhaps strongly insist -- that you've "dreamed" it, even though you never remember having this dream before that moment. This all happens very quickly, but if you ever catch someone having a moment of deja-vu, you'll notice that they pause oddly for a second while their mind recovers from its hiccup. And yes, Spyguy, people who often have deja-vu will start predicting what's going to happen in the next few seconds when the phenomenon occurs. Trouble is, their prediction is always just a moment too late, when it is said out loud. Do you really remember telling everyone what they were going to say before they said it, or do you remember predicting what was going to be said, and then being amazed when that happened? There is a big difference there. So, before we start discussing creating reality, predetermined futures, and other fantastic, very fun things, it might be good to look at a more earthy explanations first. It sucks, I know, but sometimes the basic explanation is the correct one, and, even if it isn't (or isn't worth considering, since it's a lousy stepping-stone to cosmic conversation), it ought to be included. Sorry. It was truly like 'Hey, I've seen this before. His response will be ...' And after that, he said exactly that. But I do agree that it is best to start with earthly explanations. Most of my deja vu's weren't predicting in advance but while it happened, which fits with the scientific theories. I can only remember one situation in which I knew it BEFORE it was said, and in total it happened 3 times or so (can't remember the exact situations but I remember how shocked I was by it, so they may very well be normal deja vu's). But I'm not going to think up any theories for it, cuz there is no way to confirm it one way or another.

[Original Poster]

I believe, based on my experience with WILDs, Salvia and DMT, that deja vu is a feeling we get when we realign closer to our greater awareness.

[Billyg126]

I find it strange how were trying to figgure out space when we havent even found out all of ourselves. its like learning algebra before multiplications (bad example but u know what i mean)

[Spyguy]

I find it strange how were trying to figgure out space when we havent even found out all of ourselves. its like learning algebra before multiplications (bad example but u know what i mean) Not at all. We didn't have to technology (not even sure we have it now) to figure out the exact cause of deja vu. On the other hand, we did (and do) have the technology to go to space. When we get stuck on something we continue to work on other fields. Quite often, other fields give the technology to continue with a field we were stuck on earlier. That way, science keeps figuring out more and more

[Billyg126]

I get what your aying but in a dept crisis is it wise to take the 15trillion dollar trip to space? Investigate the history of de ja vu from way back in our history or the indians (native americans) have something on the history channel i dont know

[Spyguy]

I get what your aying but in a dept crisis is it wise to take the 15trillion dollar trip to space? Investigate the history of de ja vu from way back in our history or the indians (native americans) have something on the history channel i dont know True. When it comes to things like that (spending a lot on such things when we are low on money and need to cut on jobs and such), I guess humans are generally quite stupid

[Reamous]

And yes, Spyguy, people who often have deja-vu will start predicting what's going to happen in the next few seconds when the phenomenon occurs. Trouble is, their prediction is always just a moment too late, when it is said out loud. Do you really remember telling everyone what they were going to say before they said it, or do you remember predicting what was going to be said, and then being amazed when that happened? There is a big difference there. Actually, one time I was sitting in the car while Mom and Dad got out to talk to someone. I was reading a book, and I remember feeling Deja Vu starting. The next thing I knew, I said out loud, "Get out here and be sociable." My Mom opened the door and said the same thing. I panicked a little, and then felt like Nostradamus.

[Sageous]

Actually, one time I was sitting in the car while Mom and Dad got out to talk to someone. I was reading a book, and I remember feeling Deja Vu starting. The next thing I knew, I said out loud, "Get out here and be sociable." My Mom opened the door and said the same thing. I panicked a little, and then felt like Nostradamus. That's fairly awesome, Reamous, but was it deja vu or something else? Instead of "remembering" that your mom said that, you "knew" it was about to be said. There is a difference. Though it might not have been deja vu, it could I suppose have been a wee bout of clairvoyance or, much less interstingly, just a very good guess by a kid who knows his mom, and had a good feeling -- unconsciously -- about what she was going to say about you staying in the car. I say we go with clairvoyance; it's much more fun!

[Reamous]

That's fairly awesome, Reamous, but was it deja vu or something else? Instead of "remembering" that your mom said that, you "knew" it was about to be said. There is a difference. Though it might not have been deja vu, it could I suppose have been a wee bout of clairvoyance or, much less interstingly, just a very good guess by a kid who knows his mom, and had a good feeling -- unconsciously -- about what she was going to say about you staying in the car. I say we go with clairvoyance; it's much more fun! That's a good point, but the thing is, it didn't cross my mind that she would have said that until after I felt the deja vu. I dunno, it may have been a good guess, but it's coincidental enough for me to go with the clairvoyance side. ^.^