Thread: Mastering Your Dreams

But wait, I don't understand. If your schema has managed to make you think that a monster should be roaming that mountainside you are seeing, how can you suddenly realize that this is untrue, and gain lucidity?

Originally Posted by Pheenix

But wait, I don't understand. If your schema has managed to make you think that a monster should be roaming that mountainside you are seeing, how can you suddenly realize that this is untrue, and gain lucidity?

You don't. Once you become lucid you can get rid of it, though!

Originally Posted by Pheenix

But wait, I don't understand. If your schema has managed to make you think that a monster should be roaming that mountainside you are seeing, how can you suddenly realize that this is untrue, and gain lucidity?

Any schemata is only active because you are focused on it. You don't have to realize it's untrue, you just have to focus on something different.

Originally Posted by BillyBob

From the moment you logged onto dreamviews your mind's collection of schemata on "what a lucid dream should be like" has been growing. Law after law has been pounded into your brain, from not being able to read, to not being able to properly use a lightswitch.
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The next day what did you do? You logged on to Dreamviews.com and posted about how you had tried that in a lucid dream, and it really is as hard as everyone made it out to be, thus planting that schema in another unsuspecting noobs noggin.

Man, this is so spot-on! Thanks for the great article!

Great guide mate, defo serve to reset expectations on dream control. Which I agree with from reading various guides on dream control, something is only hard cause you make it so.

Regarding the whole Schemata approach to lucid dreaming, think the only real competitive theories point to meditative states, and even these don't discard the schemata concept, only tells you that in lucid dreaming it is viable to go above them. Think it is termed supra consciousness or a supra state (heard it at a lecture on evolutional psychology a couple of years back, so might not be accurate) where it is possible to remain conscious though you have abandoned your model of the world, model of self and model of self in the world (there may be more schemata to be mentioned, but these seems the most relevant^^).

Just to be clear, love your guide, competing theories only allow you even greater control than supplied by the concept of schemata, which is a way to "rise above them" if that is what you so would want. Think the primary advocate of this meditative approach is a Jane Gachenback, who used to study and cary out research with LaBerge. Which is more correct? I have got no clue about (yet!) but it might be in order to provide a balanced viewpoint .

Finally someone who believes that we can go beyond our so called "limitations." It's very common for humans to set certain parameters and stick with them loyally, but with something so uncertain and free such as the art of lucid dreaming, we have to keep an open mind.

this is how I control all of my dreams, I think the right mentality is "I'm in a dream, I can do what ever I want, when ever I want, and where ever I want. The rules of logic do not apply here", usually when I affirm that I really can acheive anything. With a small backyard I managed to run at a high speed I was never able to do without breaking a sweat. Jumping fences much higher then I could think possible with ease. My only problem is even with this affirmation, even with the affirmations I won't leave immediately after I get lucid, I break out of the dream. Got any tips for that?

It was said that all you have to do is believe in yourself and you can do it. That was the rule given too me in order too fly, once I finally believed in myself I was able to fly. Now with this, we should create a set of rules that allow newer members who have never LDed before, to attain lucidity faster, and easier! I just don't know where to begin. Almost like planting seeds in their brain, that says Lucid dreaming isn't difficult to do!

"The seed that we planted in this man's mind may change everything."

Haha, but seriously I totally agree.

So... if i'm getting this right, stabilization is unnecessary, and my LD's only failed because i believed stabilizing to be necessary?! That's epic, time to get some pwnage dreams

It's a good tutorial and I agree with the general message, a lot of people make ill-informed posts that can generate expectations which can be harmful to impressionable beginners. However, whilst expectations certainly affect dreams they are not the only factor.

No more having to stabilize, no more having to focus on your hands for clarity, no more placebo, and no more fighting.

I feel you should have made it clear that simply believing a dream will be stable will not necessarily make it so, many lucid dreamers have independently discovered common difficulties which seem to occur, such as light switches not working and text mutating.

So... if i'm getting this right, stabilization is unnecessary, and my LD's only failed because i believed stabilizing to be necessary?!

As in this case, you could be yourself enforcing potentially harmful expectations. It's probably true that believing dreams will always be unstable until you take action can be a self-fulfilling prophecy, but it's equally true that dreams often are unstable for reasons other than mere expectation. Spyguy, my advice would be to bear this in mind!

I don't wish to criticise the tutorial too harshly as it's clear you've put a lot of effort into it and it's very accurate for the most part!

This is something i have repeatedly come back to to read. Unfortunately, i have fulled grasped that concept within my dreams.. "dream logic" >_>"

Originally Posted by fOrceez

This is something i have repeatedly come back to to read. Unfortunately, i have fulled grasped that concept within my dreams.. "dream logic" >_>"

You have created a schemata that your logic in your dreams will be different to your logic in reality

I wish I read these guides before reading everything else first. Being "new and impressionable" has probably subjected me to alot of misinformation that has to be forgotten now. But great read! Thanks!

One of the best ''tutorials'' i have seen.

This has defiantly open upped my eyes, and I will be sure to keep all of this in mind.