Obama supports 'the right' for ground zero mosque

[ArcanumNoctis]

Obama supports 'the right' for ground zero mosque PANAMA CITY, Fla. – Weighing his words carefully on a fiery political issue, President Barack Obama said Saturday that Muslims have the right to build a mosque near New York's ground zero, but he did not say whether he believes it is a good idea to do so. Jeez, Captain Obvious... Freedom of religion is one thing, but this is a super bad example to use in support of freedom of religion. It essentially is a desecration. For the last ten years, we have been in a supposed War on Terrorism with Islam as the poster child. Random words such as Islamofacism etc. have been made up for psychological reinforcement. We are still at war in the Middle East. There are people who think Obama is Muslim, nothing quite like making them feel validated and giving them even more ammunition. Was it a slip of the tongue or did a foreign advisor tell him it would be good for relations in the Middle East? If it was recommended, then it just shows how easily the American people are being sold out. The U.S. being at war over in the Middle East is us influencing them, but if the statement was made under the potential given, then the reality is that the Middle East could be influencing the U.S.. He probably could walk the side lines perfectly fine with making the statement, IF he had already pulled us out of the Middle East. It is rather confusing because the only possible conclusion I can come to is that there is intent to magnify unrest in the American people. I'm pretty sure it is demoralizing for most military men and women. Am I the only one that thinks him making this statement is ridiculously pointless and insulting?

[Xei]

You're at war with terrorists. Not Islam. Obama has said the only thing he could possibly have said without violating your own constitution. I don't understand any of this controversy. It's a blatant logical fallacy. Why shouldn't a mosque be built? I assume nobody would object to a church. Hence you're saying the problem is with Islam. And obviously the problem with Islam was that the terrorists were Muslim. So... the inference here is that the terrorists were bad, and the terrorists were Muslims, hence Muslims are bad. Which is the fallacy. The terrorists also had beards. Are people with beards allowed near ground zero? Also, they were all men. Surely that's not a coincidence... I guess the only logical conclusion is that all men are bad, right? Let's not build any public toilets for men near ground zero, either. To do otherwise would be a flagrant insult to American history. I wonder if there are any churches in Oklahoma City. I hope not. That would be a desecration! Remember that guy who killed all those people with that bomb; he was Christian, right..?

[Descensus]

I think its an awful idea, but disallowing the building of a mosque is wrong as well. It's funny to see people blame an entire religion on the actions of 20-or-so nutjobs, though.

[ArcanumNoctis]

The whole reason we are at war is because the American people's emotions were played since 9/11 in which they were told/implicated it was Islam. Are people really that blind? Seems so since we are in the Middle East for this reason, though now the table cloth has been pulled off the table to reveal a different reason why we are over there. It is a complete bait and switch. Really people? You are completely missing the point. If you were president, why even insert yourself into the situation? There is literally no gain or point for him to do so. It just creates a new controversy. Also, what do I think about it? I think the war is bullshit and even if I believed in the war I wouldn't be blaming the actions of a select few on the majority. You two need to re-read my first post because what I'm saying completely went over your heads.

[Descensus]

Also, what do I think about it? I think the war is bullshit and even if I believed in the war I wouldn't be blaming the actions of a select few on the majority. You two need to re-read my first post because what I'm saying completely went over your heads. Easy there, tough-guy. I wasn't replying to your post. I was merely sharing my experiences with people getting all pissy about the mosque and my thoughts on the building of one.

[Xei]

The whole reason we are at war is because the American people's emotions were played since 9/11 in which they were told/implicated it was Islam. Are people really that blind? Seems so since we are in the Middle East for this reason, though now the table cloth has been pulled off the table to reveal a different reason why we are over there. It is a complete bait and switch. What are you talking about? You went to war with Afghanistan because the regime there supported the terrorists which attacked your country. Not because they were Muslims? When has that ever been the official line? There would be outrage if something like that were ever stated by the administration. And even if it were implied by the previous administration, Obama's rhetoric has never been anything like that. You're not making any sense at all. Really people? You are completely missing the point. If you were president, why even insert yourself into the situation? There is literally no gain or point for him to do so. It just creates a new controversy. Um... because he's the president? Aaand... all he did was reiterate the constitution?

[horsey101]

Really people? You are completely missing the point. If you were president, why even insert yourself into the situation? There is literally no gain or point for him to do so. It just creates a new controversy.r As President, he has to stand up for the Constitution. He also couldn't say no comment on an issue this large, so he was forced to say that Muslims have the legal right. It's pretty simple, if it wasn't for Fox the whole thing would have blown over by now. Muslims have a right to build mosques wherever other religious building are being allowed. Stop attributing the actions of 20-odd people to millions. Why should Muslims surrender their right to religious freedom because it offends you?

[ArcanumNoctis]

As President, he has to stand up for the Constitution. He also couldn't say no comment on an issue this large, so he was forced to say that Muslims have the legal right. It's pretty simple, if it wasn't for Fox the whole thing would have blown over by now. Muslims have a right to build mosques wherever other religious building are being allowed. Stop attributing the actions of 20-odd people to millions. Why should Muslims surrender their right to religious freedom because it offends you? I've actually changed my stance on the issue. They have had the plot for a super long time, even before 9/11.

[horsey101]

I've actually changed my stance on the issue. They have had the plot for a super long time, even before 9/11. Who is they? i don't deny that radical Muslims may have been plotting against the US for decades or centuries or however long you say, but it isn't fair to group them with the moderate Muslims living in the US who love American government and culture. Sharing the same religion doesn't make them the same people.

[ArcanumNoctis]

Who is they? i don't deny that radical Muslims may have been plotting against the US for decades or centuries or however long you say, but it isn't fair to group them with the moderate Muslims living in the US who love American government and culture. Sharing the same religion doesn't make them the same people. The plot of land. Holy shit people...

[Alric]

I really don't like Obama and I think he is a moron, and I hate all his policies, and honestly I think he policies are evil. However in this case he is actually right. They bought the land, they can build whatever they want on it. Simple as that.

[Maria92]

I really don't like Obama and I think he is a moron, and I hate all his policies, and honestly I think he policies are evil. Liberals: object to using taxpayer money to kill people Conservatives: object to using taxpayer money to save people

[ninja9578]

I love hillbilly stupidity. lol at the bottom left sign. Congress has had government controlled health care for 50 years. And of course people have the right to build a mosque. They bought the land, they can do whatever they want with it. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; How stupid are you that you can misinterpret that? The USA is at war with terrorists. The terrorists are no more muslims than the KKK is christian. If you don't want to see a mosque in New York then go to Alabama you ignorant moron.

[Xei]

Evil? Like... Adolf Hitler evil? Ah well. Democracy's a bitch, ain't it?

[Alric]

Well they are both socialist, who like to expand government to extreme sizes. I wouldn't quiet go that far though, because there is still a huge difference between the two, and I doubt Obama is ever going to out right kill anyone.

[Black_Eagle]

So how much has Obama expanded the government again? As for being socialist: aren't we all just a little bit socialist?

[Descensus]

Well they are both socialist, who like to expand government to extreme sizes. I wouldn't quiet go that far though, because there is still a huge difference between the two, and I doubt Obama is ever going to out right kill anyone. I wouldn't go so far as to call him socialist. Corporatist fits fairly well. As for being socialist: aren't we all just a little bit socialist? Depends on your definition of socialist.

[Sekhmet]

I don't see what the fuss is about. There's been a mosque (the Masjid) four blocks from the World Trade Center location for over 40 years and no one says anything about that. eta: Hilter was fascist, not socialist.

[Xaqaria]

I don't see what the fuss is about. There's been a mosque (the Masjid) four blocks from the World Trade Center location for over 40 years and no one says anything about that. eta: Hilter was fascist, not socialist. The Nazis were originally known as the National Socialist German Workers' Party

[Spartiate]

Child labor laws are nothing more than compulsory unemployment. They punished child-bearing families in favor of childless families. Those with children, who had typically moved from farms to cities in order to gain more income, were forced to support a larger family without any additional income once the laws were enacted. You do realize that the economy is but one of the many aspects needed for a healthy society? The economy can afford a dip in the name of increased life expectancy. The Nazis were originally known as the National Socialist German Workers' Party North Korea's full name is the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea".

[Descensus]

You do realize that the economy is but one of the many aspects needed for a healthy society? The economy can afford a dip in the name of increased life expectancy. The economy is a term describing human actions. It's hard to increase life expectancy while living in poverty.

[Maria92]

The economy is a term describing human actions. It's hard to increase life expectancy while living in poverty. Poverty that very much exists in America today, while heads of corporations continue to make billions of dollars. Child labor laws are the least of their concerns.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

The postal system is socialist, public schools are socialist, police force is socialist, medicare and medicaid is socialist, welfare is socialist, etc... So yes, we are all a little bit socialist. Socialism is a bad word that people use to instill fear and anger. How has Obama expanded the government? Did he create a new department called Homeland Security? Anyway, off topic. As to why he said it? Why not? I am sure a lot of people who already hate him and fear him and Muslims will get their panties in a bunch over this statement, but, so what? Freedom is freedom, and you know that freedom of religion is given to us so we don't realize that we don't have other freedoms. At least we can choose what we believe, instead of how we live.

[Alric]

Bush being an idiot, doesn't make Obama any less of a idiot. He has increased government spending, increased government handouts, the health care stuff, the bailouts, all the new government offices he created, there is just a huge list of things he did to increase government. Its also funny how you say liberals are against the war, but Obama isn't against the war and he is supposed to liberal. Funny how he says stuff like that, then gets elected and doesn't do anything he said. We are still waging the same wars and ever, and spending even more money on them.

[Maria92]

Bush being an idiot, doesn't make Obama any less of a idiot. He has increased government spending, increased government handouts, the health care stuff, the bailouts, all the new government offices he created, there is just a huge list of things he did to increase government. All in response to the big fuckin' recession that Bush created. It's working, btw. Its also funny how you say liberals are against the war, but Obama isn't against the war and he is supposed to liberal. Funny how he says stuff like that, then gets elected and doesn't do anything he said. We are still waging the same wars and ever, and spending even more money on them. Obama set a scale for troop withdrawal from Iraq, one of the most pointless wars in U.S. history. The only reason we're still in Afghanistan is that the Taliban actually sort of poses a legitimate threat. Pakistan does have nuclear weapons, and the Taliban is invading. The Taliban, not Iraq, was directly responsible for 9/11. Even this, though, is not enough to convince many democrats and liberals in the house and senate. Republicans still encourage the war, but the dems are getting cold feet, and are craving troop withdrawal. Obama himself actually proposed a timetable for troop withdrawal from Afghanistan.