Thread: Transgendered man thinks he is a female, looks like a female- is he?

I meant naturally as in without outside help, like therapy. Though I am sure they can switch with therapy as well.

Originally Posted by Alric

A personally can naturally change mentally though. They might consider them self one, then later consider them self the other.

I honestly am still not sure the difference between transsexual, transgendered and the like but from what I do know what we're talking about is considered a mental disorder (gender identity disorder) that is present even in early childhood. It has to do with the way a persons brain functions, and it's not something that one can just change at the drop of a hat.

Edit: Okay so I've been looking stuff up and so far I've found this website by a transgendered psychology professor that's the best I've read so far.

I would say the hypothetical person is male on the basis of their DNA and genitalia.

With something like AIS (note some of the links from that page are not safe for work), then that's a trickier case. In the case of complete insensitivity, personally I would again say such a person is male again on the basis of DNA and the lack of female organ function, even if such a person otherwise appears female.

Like the savvy Canadian said; it's a non-question.

By "transgendered man" do you mean someone who has male anatomy but sees herself as a woman? In that case, it's more respectful to refer to this person as something like "transgendered woman".

Gender is a societal construct. We're not mere animals and we shouldn't be defined strictly by our genes. If that person feels and knows so, let her be a woman.

Scientifically: If it has a Y chromosome then it's a male. If it has an X then it's a female.

Reality: If it says it's a female, then it's a female.

Personally: I could care less.

Originally Posted by Auron

Personally: I could care less.

^ This,

Whatever floats their boat.

Also consider that it can only go so far in society. Just because mentally, you associate yourself as a female and science as well as society identifies you as male doesn't mean you can walk into a female restroom.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Also consider that it can only go so far in society. Just because mentally, you associate yourself as a female and science as well as society identifies you as male doesn't mean you can walk into a female restroom.

why not?

serious question.

Because if I'm not mistaken by "transgender" the individual would mentally identify themselves as the opposite of what they physically are. Unless I'm wrong but that's kind of what I thought. However if by this thinking I'm correct I don't see how it's right for me to walk into a womans restroom. Just out of respect. I've done it before myself and that was just because I took my toddler at the time to go pee pee on the pot pot.

EDIT:

And something I just thought of in this case. What about the person who is "transgender" physically male but identifies himself as female but likes female. This would be more of a fetish type person to me but whatever.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Check out all these labels

If you identify yourself as a person who should go into the ladies' restroom, you go into the ladies' restroom, and vice versa.

Yea, you're right they are labels however, it is what it is and that's what it is. :p

I call people whatever they wish to be called.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Because if I'm not mistaken by "transgender" the individual would mentally identify themselves as the opposite of what they physically are. Unless I'm wrong but that's kind of what I thought. However if by this thinking I'm correct I don't see how it's right for me to walk into a womans restroom.

right, because you're not a woman.
I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed in.

What about the person who is "transgender" physically male but identifies himself as female but likes female. This would be more of a fetish type person to me but whatever.

then they would be a lesbian. is that hard to understand?

Originally Posted by no-Name

right, because you're not a woman.
I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed in.

no-Name, I sat back and thought about this thoroughly because to be honest I've never really been exposed to transgender's outside of the internet to give it any thought. However, this is my thoughts on the matter.

I think if one who is transgender (let's say male in this case) and the 'individual's' appearance is female top to bottom and their personality/characteristic/demeanor is more feminine Then I think it's ok for them to use a female public facility and I would actually identify that 'individual' as a female even if they have male organs. On the other hand if their appearance/personality/demeanor/characteristic is masculine like the typical male then I do not think they should be able to utilize a female restroom.

Originally Posted by no-name

then they would be a lesbian. is that hard to understand?

That's not actually hard to understand at all. However, to me this is only subjective to the individual, kind of like, no one can actually tell you how you feel because no one can feel what YOU feel. You know what I mean? IF that 'individual' consider's themselves a lesbian then so would I.

It's a guy physically, but a female mentally? I would say you can be both that's why it's called transgender

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

That's not actually hard to understand at all. However, to me this is only subjective to the individual, kind of like, no one can actually tell you how you feel because no one can feel what YOU feel. You know what I mean? IF that 'individual' consider's themselves a lesbian then so would I.

Correct. thanks.

Originally Posted by no-Name

nah, you're thinking of sex. a sex is something you are given at birth. gender is something you can choose. you are not wrong.

your dog analogy was accurate for sex, but not gender. gender is like a name, you can change it by wishing for it to be so and saying that you are. sex is more physical, and can also change.

Incorrect. You can change gonads and what not but you can't alter your chromosomes.

To use an analogy, I can put on a tree outfit but that doesn't make me a real "tree". A form of transmutation would have to happen and I don't think anyone alive is a formidable enough alchemist to do the job.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Note: He has a penis. Is he a female?

fe·male/ˈfēmāl/
Adjective: Of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

In short.. no. She.. is still a he.. who just prefers to be called a "she". Sorry guys.

Sex = male and female
Gender = masculine and feminine

'man' = male sex+ masculine social role
(a 'real man', 'masculine' or 'manly')
'woman' = female sex + feminine social role
(a 'real woman', 'feminine' or 'womanly')

Sex refers to biological differences; chromosomes, hormonal profiles, internal and external sex organs.

http://www.med.monash.edu.au/genderm...andgender.html

Going by the definition of sex and gender the site above offers.. even if you consider yourself as having more feminine qualities than masculine qualities.. that still doesn't flat out make you a female. Your gender may be feminine but your sex is still male. Transgendered men are just males who've had gender reassignment surgeries to "become" like females. Operative word being like here. It doesn't make them real females though. Out of courtesy, you definitely don't want to piss them off and call them guys. Be respectful of their wishes. But at the heart of the matter.. they're still "males".

Well, Jeff atleast went the extra mile and defined all of his labels. Fact of the matter is though, that in this day and age we can be whatever we want.

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Transgendered man thinks he is a female, looks like a female- is he? Note: He has a penis. Is he a female?

How am I supposed to know? I'd just call her a female and not worry about what she "really is".

Originally Posted by Marvo

Fact of the matter is though, that in this day and age we can be call ourselves whatever we want.

Fixed

(S)he is a human.
So am I.
So are you.

Gender is just a chemical thing, I think.

I think its important to keep the distinction. There's quite obviously a biological difference between someone who thinks they're female in a male body and someone who is born a female. His biological sex is male, his gender 'identity?' is female. Whats the problem?

If (s)he waited until we were in the sack to mention this to me, I would be pretty angry.