Thread: Theory to the Existence of Anything

Is it possible to create something from nothing? Here is what I am going to propose. This may be an idea out there already but it is just my possible belief that things can be created out of nothing. Let me just explain.

Here you see the mathematical equation: 0 = 0
1 -1 = 0


As you can see this is first grade math at work. There is no value in the number zero, thus representing nothing. Now by adding something and then subtracting something, it still equals the same thing. What if the universe worked like this? This theory would also prove the theory of anti-matter or dark matter. So basically, you are taking nothing (0) and turning it into something (1 -1) by simply splitting it apart and keeping it apart in two different places. Would you agree that all matter would represent positive numbers and all anti-matter represents negative numbers? I could then even take it a step further by saying that what if there was an intelligent being that "split the number zero" to make something out of nothing. Therefore creating our universe. Of course our universe is WAY more complex than this equation. But just think of how many numbers you can add/subtract, divide/multiply, square/square-root, etc and still have the number equal to zero. This could prove that you can make something out of nothing. Or, for that matter, a "something" and an "anti-something."

If anyone would like to add to this, or comment if it has been thought of before, please do. I would like to hear everyone's opinions

Matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. This is a basic law of our known universe.

Originally Posted by Mario92

Matter and energy cannot be created nor destroyed. This is a basic law of our known universe.

That is not the point, this theory is not saying anything is being created at all. you are simply taking "nothing" a.k.a. "0" and splitting it into "matter" and "dark matter" a.k.a. "1 -1." Do you not understand this? Do you get the concept of dark matter? Scientists theorize that it exists everywhere where matter is not. So your view of "nothing" and my view of "nothing" are completely different.

I like this idea.. makes you wonder.

Interesting thought, I recently read a similar article on the subject.

Originally Posted by Stephen Hawking

If you do the math, you find out that the sum total of matter in the universe can cancel against the sum total of negative gravitational energy, yielding a universe with zero (or close to zero) net matter/energy. So, in some sense, universes are for free. It does not take net matter and energy to create entire universes. In this way, in the bubble bath, bubbles can collide, create baby bubbles, or simple pop into existence from nothing

Can a Universe Create Itself Out of Nothing? | Dr. Kaku's Universe | Big Think


The whole concept of Ying and Yang, the two opposing forces is also about the universe coming out of nothing. Two complementing, opposing forces canceling eachother out.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Interesting thought, I recently read a similar article on the subject.

Can a Universe Create Itself Out of Nothing? | Dr. Kaku's Universe | Big Think

Can't believe I'm supplementing a post by Chayba, but:

A while back there was a lecture posted that explained your belief in more detail.

But essentially it was the same, how the universe could just be the positive and negative frequencies that, together, would cancel each other out, hence explaining the notion of "something out of nothing".

Here it is.



Edit:

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

lecture

Oh DAMNIT.

Too slow, dajo

I have often thought of this, that everywhere is something, but it is mixed with nothing, thus creating nothing. But I believe that all matter is really very focused energy, so something is equal to the presence of the energy, and nothing is the loss of such. It is very hard to explain what I mean by this, and it is likely you won't take this as I mean it.

Hypothesis*

Originally Posted by A Roxxor

Hypothesis*

Haha thank you. I would also like to thank everyone for feedback on this topic.

That is actually all very interesting and makes perfect sense. The universe is 0.

Antimatter is made up of the same stuff as matter, it's just put together differently, it's not a matter of 1 and -1. Dark energy is also not the same as negative energy. The laws of physics do not allow creation from nothing. You'd have to find a way to vibrate the branes that make up the universe without applying anything to them, not possible.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Antimatter is made up of the same stuff as matter, it's just put together differently, it's not a matter of 1 and -1. Dark energy is also not the same as negative energy. The laws of physics do not allow creation from nothing. You'd have to find a way to vibrate the branes that make up the universe without applying anything to them, not possible.

Quantum physics is tricky business

Originally Posted by Marvo

Quantum physics is tricky business

Where in modern quantum physics does it say that there is such a thing as negative mass or energy?

the point here I think is that nothing (or a vacuum, dark matter, whatever), in terms of quantum physics, doesn't have no energy. In fact it seems to have even more than the stuff we can observe, even when most of our universe is composed of this "strange matter" (nothing).

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Where in modern quantum physics does it say that there is such a thing as negative mass or energy?

In Hawking Radiation? Where a negatively charged "virtual particle" is ripped away by the extreme forces of a black hole from its positively-charged counterpart? This first particle having "antimass", making the hole get gradually smaller and smaller? Would that qualify as "negative mass"?

Semantics semantics..

BTW: towards a theory for everything..

String Theory: the smallest sub-atomic "particles" do not exist as such.. they are more like tiny vibrating strings.. waves of vibration, by any other word. Ergo, all matter/energy is a conglomeration of waves that meld together, albeit in wildly diverse configurations.

Wave theory; (Mersini-Houghton): the Universe is in itself, a "wave", and can be expressed as such mathematically, including String Theory.

So.. if both theories hold true, the Universe is a wave composed of a myriad of smaller waves. M-Theory? The Brane/Multibrane would also be a collection of "waves" forming a giant one..

.. but what could cause the wave, the initial vibration? It still brings us no closer to actual true "creation", i.e. something from nothing.

..and we may indeed reach a point in the future where we work it all out, how everything works together to create the 3-D "world that we know"..

But will we ever be able to physically create something from true nothing, from an absolute zero of information? I have my doubts..

The problem with this hypothesis is, if you start with nothingness (forget numbers, just think a lack of space and time), only more nothingness can come from that, represented only by that nothingness (by 0). If you have two opposing forces which somehow amount to the nothingness, what happened to make the nothingness be expressed by the existence of those two forces? How did it go from being 0 to 1-1? How did dark matter, etc. come to exist in the first place from nothing? You say a creator could have been responsible, but a creator would be something, so there wouldn't have been nothingness anyway. Also, if the creator is omnipotent, it should be able to create something out of nothing, create a 1 from a 0 in the first place.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

If you have two opposing forces which somehow amount to the nothingness, what happened to make the nothingness be expressed by the existence of those two forces? How did it go from being 0 to 1-1?

He means everywhere there isn't matter, there is nothingness. Nothingness = 0, 0 = a single 1 and a single -1. When you add 1 + -1 you get 0. When you separate 1 and -1 you get matter and anti matter. That is at least what I got from it.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

If you have two opposing forces which somehow amount to the nothingness, what happened to make the nothingness be expressed by the existence of those two forces? How did it go from being 0 to 1-1? How did dark matter, etc. come to exist in the first place from nothing?

quantum fluctuation.

If you ask, so why the quantum fluctuation, my only answer is 'it's a strange universe.'

You have to keep in mind that matter and antimatter don't cancel each other out and result in 0 energy, they annihilate and turn into pure energy. This is more about all the negative energy, like negative gravity.

About how it started from nothing, well, quantum physics is stupid and confusing. Hopefully we'll have a better understanding some time.

Well I was under the impression that the OP's hypothesis describes how something comes from nothing (literally nothing, no 'pure energy', no God, no anything). Sorry if this is not what he meant, ignore my previous post. If it was what he meant, logic can tell you why it fails. You don't need to take physics into account at all.

Fuck theories! Lets build a time machine and go back 15 billion years and find out for ourselves!

Well first of all...
Anti-matter wouldn't represent negative numbers and matter wouldn't represent positive numbers.
It's the other way around. Numbers represent the objective thing.

Also, I think this kind of makes sense. But not exactly in the way you described it.
I'm thinking more, that everything can be represented by both it's counter-parts.
It's hard to articulate this.

Maybe more like the universe can be explained by everything being 0 and 1-1.

It's not really what I am trying to convey, I'll have to think about how to say it better.