Thread: How intelligent do you think you are?

I think I'm very smart. I can figure shit out pretty damn good. On my good days, I am very optimistic about my future being a rich, successful man; I have the answer to everything, I give insightful opinions and information, and I have really good social skills. I'm pretty sure I will get very rich at a young age, which takes quite a bit of intelligence in my opinion if you're going to come up with something extraordinary on your own and have the majority of the world's consumers find it to be useful and enjoyable.

On the other hand, I also have a few off days from time to time. Those days involve social inadequacy, overall negativity, and the inability to grasp the complex topics I usually think about. But for the most part, I'm pretty sharp. I can bounce back quickly if I set my mind to it.


I like that somebody pointed out the social factor of intelligence. In no way does intelligence only mean that you can solve complex math equations and memorize the periodic table of elements. It also means understanding the complexities of social interactions, cultural tastes, the arts, and abstract thinking. You must have excellent creativity and ingenuity. I discovered these things among others on my own, and have been striving to better myself as a person for quite a while. I think that if you're intelligent enough to see the importance of growing and developing yourself simply for the sake of it, then you must be pretty smart. Only in that way will you surpass your peers in every way, and positively stand out from the rest.

Originally Posted by Alric

A lot of people don't take 'official' IQ tests however. Usually people who take IQ tests take them online and we all know how that works. I think IQ tests really do get a bad rap because so few people take them, and because of the internet versions of them. And of course when they are determine the results for a test, they are just using a small sample of the general public.

I've been thinking about taking the MENSA test, but probably only when I have money to waste, since it will be a waste coz there's no way I'll get 140 lol

I sometimes wish there was an anonymous dislike button.

Just like it and then unlike it lol

What do you dislike?

I've reconsidered my analysis of my intelligence after watching the news for a little bit.
People generally are really fucking stupid and I sometimes over-estimate them.
Although I suspect that some people just do not use their intelligence for some reason or another, probably extreme mental laziness. But we'll likely never know their true intelligence, so going by how intelligent people in general seem to be, I'm probably fairly above average. But that's no great feat.

If we all considered where the average of human intelligence falls, we would be less concerned with how our own scores rate and more worried about someone setting the ocean on fire.

Too right young chap.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

I sometimes wish there was an anonymous dislike button.

do you think even modern computers could handle the response I would get with that one? Hell no.

I have no way to accurately answer such a question. I am pretty sure everyone would like to claim themselves intelligent. So self evaluation of such a thing is pointless.

Originally Posted by Ish

I have no way to accurately answer such a question. I am pretty sure everyone would like to claim themselves intelligent. So self evaluation of such a thing is pointless.

Oh, you're not aware it is actually a vanity pole?

Question for the geniuses:

I can't help wondering why one with such intelligence would bother spending their time here at DV, arguing with others about science, math, and philosophy...when it seems rather apparent that you're knowledge on such things is more extensive than the average DV member. Why not frequent forums tailored for geniuses such as yourselves, where the playing field is more advanced, and the members more capable of effectively challenging you? Personally, if I ever started believing that I was one of the smartest individuals on a forum, then I would hopefully leave that forum and search for more intelligent discussion elsewhere. I mean, how do we learn without raising the bar?

(I'm not saying I want anyone to leave, I'm just curious about what keeps you here.)

On my good intellectual days, I like feeling smarter than everybody else. That, and pointing out the obvious things that everybody else fails to see.

Some of the topics here are sufficiently thought-provoking. Usually when somebody introduces a new topic for discussion, it leads to a lot of dissenting opinions. But generally smarter people can give more intellectually sound contributions to a discussion, and they usually are the ones who make any real progress in those threads. And when the smarter people here disagree, it makes for even more interesting discussions.

Plus, this is the most popular lucid dreaming forum on the web. Thus there are a lot of fresh new ideas here. I've been to other forums in the past and out of all of them this is the most mature one that I've personally seen.

Last, if I really wanted to develop my intellect, I'd probably be playing brain games, reading, exercising, or learning to play an instrument. I certainly wouldn't look to others on an online message board for that sort of thing.

I can't help wondering why one with such intelligence would bother spending their time here at DV, arguing with others about science, math, and philosophy...when it seems rather apparent that you're knowledge on such things is more extensive than the average DV member. Why not frequent forums tailored for geniuses such as yourselves, where the playing field is more advanced, and the members more capable of effectively challenging you? Personally, if I ever started believing that I was one of the smartest individuals on a forum, then I would hopefully leave that forum and search for more intelligent discussion elsewhere. I mean, how do we learn without raising the bar?

(I'm not saying I want anyone to leave, I'm just curious about what keeps you here.)

What makes you think this doesn't happen already? I myself visit several other forums more suited to these kinds of discussion.

I visit DV because it's a good place to discuss and learn about lucid dreaming, and because I gain access to some interesting viewpoints and topics that aren't raised at other forums I frequent. This part of the site might only comprise a small amount of the DV users, but there's still plenty of thought-provoking stuff here. It can offer some good practice at trying to simplify and communicate ideas too.

I'd also like to think that I can do a little bit of good by correcting a few misconceptions here and there as well.

Originally Posted by Aquanina

Question for the geniuses:

I can't help wondering why one with such intelligence would bother spending their time here at DV, arguing with others about science, math, and philosophy...when it seems rather apparent that you're knowledge on such things is more extensive than the average DV member. Why not frequent forums tailored for geniuses such as yourselves, where the playing field is more advanced, and the members more capable of effectively challenging you? Personally, if I ever started believing that I was one of the smartest individuals on a forum, then I would hopefully leave that forum and search for more intelligent discussion elsewhere. I mean, how do we learn without raising the bar?

(I'm not saying I want anyone to leave, I'm just curious about what keeps you here.)

For me, it is not a matter of intelligence, it is about finding a kindred spirit. Lucid dreaming is no accident--there are many pretenders here, they could not tell the difference between a lucid dream and a wet dream.

Lucid dreams are for a purpose, and like any language many can only use it by rote, I am looking for someone special. I really do want to help save the world--wooden sword, windmills and all.

It is like walking through muddy water, hell you have no idea what your going to step on.

It varies based on who is active when, but as internets go, I find DV does attract a number of very sharp minds, and many of them atypical thinkers who enjoy engaging in ED-style discussions. Even if you're a 'professional' philosopher, scientist or mathematician, there's likely some appeal to seeing how less informed but reasonably intelligent people approach your field of study. Also, despite the sometimes heated tone of discussion, DV ED is less of an e-peen swordfight than a lot of places on the internet.

I have seen far too many people with a supposedly high IQ make terribly obvious logical errors to put any faith at all in the idea that intelligence can be summed up with a number. What's far more important is a person's overall personality. People with a high degree of intelligence are still susceptible to getting emotional and fucking up.

That said, I don't know my relative rank when it comes to intelligence and I don't particularly care about finding out, but I've always been told by people that I'm different. So I've got that.

I think the Big Five factors (OCEAN) are of relevance here. I agree with black eagle that logical intelligence is of less importance than the personality. Personality also takes other things such as sociability, cultural tastes, and everything else I previously described into account, which could also be viewed as a different form of intelligence.

on an intellectual scale i am borderline genius, leaning towards genius of course. eq is more important to success than iq though, unfortunately i rank pretty low there....oh well.

i feel bad for you. it seems you must always be accomplishing something....even when sleeping.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

For me, it is not a matter of intelligence, it is about finding a kindred spirit. Lucid dreaming is no accident--there are many pretenders here, they could not tell the difference between a lucid dream and a wet dream.

Lucid dreams are for a purpose, and like any language many can only use it by rote, I am looking for someone special. I really do want to help save the world--wooden sword, windmills and all.

It is like walking through muddy water, hell you have no idea what your going to step on.

i feel bad for you. it seems you must always be accomplishing something....even when sleeping. you are not special. accept the fact that you are part of the same ball of shit as everyone else and youll be better off

I'm intelligent enough to know how little I know.

Then I go out and live real life.

Originally Posted by GestaltAlteration

Then I go out and live real life.

What is this... "real life" you speak of?

Originally Posted by poopman

i feel bad for you. it seems you must always be accomplishing something....even when sleeping. you are not special. accept the fact that you are part of the same ball of shit as everyone else and youll be better off

So, you think the invention and promotion of toilet paper was a bad idea? You're right, I am not special, however, my nose seems to be just a tad bit more sensistive.

Let me, however, give you something to think about.
Every environmental acquisition system of a living organism must acquire something from the environment, process that which it has acquired, for a product that maintains and promotes the life of that organism.

The human mind is one such system. It performs its task via language, both branches. If it cannot, then by definition of the above, it cannot contribute life to the organism, i.e. the organism dies. And if you look over the systems, death often is not immediate.

So by definition, if we cannot think correctly we are dead. If you understand the defining characteristic of the human mind, it deals with the future, death then awaits man.

A way of putting this in metaphor is: Those who do not have the mark of the beast will be killed.
Nothing special there, it is just a biological fact. As I said before, as I have posted and demonstrated, the name of the Beast 666 is only the defining characteristic of the mind. You cannot think correctly, then biological fact, you are not contributing life to your own body. i.e. you are dead.

Now, because you cannot see the same thing, no matter how it is written, suggests that perhaps something is not wrong with me, but with you.

Can you, do you have the ability, to even see how much of enculuration is aimed at getting people not to think? Not to judge, not to perform their job, i.e. to simply die? As, a matter of fact, you do me? You worship death, not me. Intelligence, from scripture to science is rated against the survival of the individual and thus species. The mind has a very real job to do, and thus specific methods of doing it--just like every other system of a living organism. In this regard, no it is not special, but it presently is dysfunctional due to its youth.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

The human mind is one such system. It performs its task via language, both branches. If it cannot, then by definition of the above, it cannot contribute life to the organism, i.e. the organism dies. And if you look over the systems, death often is not immediate.

So by definition, if we cannot think correctly we are dead. If you understand the defining characteristic of the human mind, it deals with the future, death then awaits man.

It doesn't require much thought to survive, at least in the societies we all live in. It requires thought to hunt, grow food, cook, etc. Those things, if we were wild, or even now to an extent, help our survival. But I doubt that these days someone with an IQ of 130 will be expected to live much longer than someone with an IQ of 100. Someone who has mastered language, thought, etc. won't live longer than someone who hasn't.

Originally Posted by Dianeva

It doesn't require much thought to survive, at least in the societies we all live in. It requires thought to hunt, grow food, cook, etc. Those things, if we were wild, or even now to an extent, help our survival. But I doubt that these days someone with an IQ of 130 will be expected to live much longer than someone with an IQ of 100. Someone who has mastered language, thought, etc. won't live longer than someone who hasn't.

Each environmental acquisition system has a specific task. The human mind is no exception. Did you see the solution to the name of the beast 666? Have you ever understood the syllogism? It is about time. Not for this moment alone, nor for just a year--The Banquet---its about human longevity, immortality--or what we can get. The mind of man is an attempt to establish perm residence in the Universe.

When you can see that what you do now will help your great grandchildren, etc. Time. That is why I have concluded that the depth of a person can be measured against how far into the future their actions are aimed at. like someone who would rather marry and raise a family verses someone who just thinks about getting laid.

What things do we see now, that we can start working to prevent, like say and asteroid impact? Can we add and subtract human will for these projects? or are we too busy raping murdering and pillaging? The lack of depth in most human thought is something that I have always found rather odd.

Why do you really think man gets to see things that happen in the future? Do you think someone is bragging? Or that there is magic? It is an example of what you are, what the mind is suppose to do. Why do you think The Law and the Prophets propheciesed until John? The Book is an example of what the mind is suppose to be doing. We do it with Language.

The fantasies of life after death, immortality of the soul--that is the mind seeing what it cannot do, but what it will one day do.

The big todo in the Scripture that people talk all kinds of myths about--it is a revolution--an evolution, psychological. On a psychological level, you can tell when someone is brain dead when they show no spark of recognition in what they perceieve and what they are.

For normal people, no it does not require much thought to survive--they have not much thought to be given anyway.

I think Philosopher8659 is a prety cool guy. eh maeks seemingly offtopics with biggest words and dosnt afraid of anything.

Originally Posted by Philosopher8659

Why do you really think man gets to see things that happen in the future? Do you think someone is bragging? Or that there is magic? It is an example of what you are, what the mind is suppose to do. Why do you think The Law and the Prophets propheciesed until John? The Book is an example of what the mind is suppose to be doing. We do it with Language.

"supposed to" you fucking moron.

Seriously, I'm too tired to give a real reply now. I may tomorrow if I read it and understand it and have anything to say.