 Originally Posted by Xei
What do you mean, evidence for what? Didn't you understand my post..?
I mean: what is the evidence evidence for? That 2012 is: ????
What exactly does 'time ending, a new time begins' mean? I don't know what this actually means so please explain it properly. Why do you think this will happen? Why do you take the Mayans on their word? What's special about them, compared to African tribes who think we're about to be eaten by giant flaming space lion? Did they give any evidence? Indeed, why do you think this was the word of the Mayans? From what I've heard they didn't think anything transformative was going to happen at all, it's just a calendar.
As far as I understand from what they have told me, time ending and a new time beginning means that time goes in cycles in a higher dimension. The Mayans are very interested in time, moreso than any other culture. They are obsessed with time. They developed the means to predict every solar eclipse, the procession of the Equinoxes etc. way before the Greeks did. SO what does it mean? I don't know. But it seems to me from talking with them that they have an understanding of time that isn't the same as the ordinary person. They talk about time as if it is a tangible thing that they can touch. But they don't have any doomsday prophecies regarding 2012. But they do agree with the Hopis that we will enter the fifth world. As for what that means?
What were the first through to fourth worlds? Again, what is your basis for thinking this; especially considering by your own admission you don't really know what 'this' is?
I didn't say that I thought this, I just relayed what the Hopi Elders have told me. Hopi Elders are not New Agers. The first 4 worlds were mineral, vegetable, protozoa, and animal as far as I can tell. They don't really mention the fungi. Knowing how they think is more important than knowing what they think. I am working on it right now spending time with them and learning from them. What makes them more special than Africans? I don't know the flaming space lion that you talk about, and I think that you are serious but could be kidding, what tribe is this? I am not hanging out with tribal Africans so I am not qualified to even offer an explanation. But as far as the Mayans go, they have mapped out every pole reversal that happened before them until now and that is verified. Tribal Africans were not the same as the Egyptians, and the American Indian tribes are different also. The Mayans had a technology on par with the Egyptians, and the Hopis also. The Hopis were the original tribe that all the other tribes broke off of when they left to not fulfill the Hopi prophecy. The Mayans did fulfill the Hopi prophecy though by being the "Keepers of the Cycles" in the South. All the Native Americans revere the Mayans and looked to them for their understanding of time and calendars. The Mayans predicted the Spanish invasion of Cortez. I don't know how they do this. I am just saying.... So there are many Earth based tribes of people with indigenous knowledge that they got from dreaming about herbs and food and medicine. Then there are the other cultures with non-indigenous culture, that have knowledge about writing, advanced math and astronomy etc. like the Egyptians and the Mayans and the ancient Hindus. The Greek culture got its knowledge of math, philosophy, logic, etc. from India and Egypt. It was the Greeks who lived in India who came back and started the whole Greek philosophy thing as opposed to the Olympian Gods mythology. Now, what is left is handed down from generation to generation orally and nobody really has the true knowledge of what it means except for maybe a few people I haven't met. But I will some day.
The whole debate is how do these people think? We cannot take them literally,because they do not think like we do, but they do have knowledge about how the world works that we do not understand. Hanging out with Hopis in their ceremonies and talking with them one sees crazy shit and has respect for these people. But they think different than us and so we can either be like an anthropologist that has preconceived ideas that these people don't know what they are talking about, or we can have respect for them and learn what they are thinking.
I believe that the Hopis and the Mayans know something that we don't know, because I hang out with them and they do know things that we don't. Not every Hopi or every Mayan, but the ones who are old and keep the knowledge of their roots. But there are lots of people who know things that we don't know.
I don't think that in that in 2013 things will be much different than they are today.
As far as the solar flares though: the Earthquakes in New Zealand and Japan happened when massive solar flares reached the Earth. The Earth's magnetic sphere is very intimate with plate tectonics as we know. Has anyone been following the solar activity lately? It is quite amazing really especially since mid December.
Silly Xei, don't you know these New Age folks operate with such a degree of vagueness that expecting an answer from them is like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000
expecting an answer from them is like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000? What does that mean? And are Hopis and Mayans New Age folks? What is New Age? I think of New Age as people who get their spiritual teachings from 'channeled' aliens rather than actually the culture that made the prophecies. Much of the bullshit about 2012 is from New Age folks who have never talked to a Mayan Elder and tried to understand the original teachings. Now when people hear about 2012 they think of New Agers and doomsday bullshit. These predictions were not made by the Mayans. I will say that again: these predictions were not made by the Mayans, but by people who make their living off of channeling aliens and jumping on to any prophecy to further their agendas and careers. These are folks who pay taxes, sit up late thinking about correlations, and balance their checkbooks. The Hopi are people who don't care about that shit. They are people who are trying to keep their culture, and they have knowledge from way back that they are still keeping secret. They are told to keep things secret until certain prophecies come true. When they come true an elder comes forward and shares it and it is confirmed by the rest of the Elders.
Of course we live in a modern world and there is no room for these Elders and their knowledge anymore, to folks on the internet at least, or so it seems. But these folks still live and keep their culture alive and are willing to share it with people who care and their culture is rich and amazing. Having only been to Morocco and Mali and not anywhere else in Africa I have not met any culture comparable to the Native Americans.
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