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      What are all the 2012 predictions?

      Weather you don't believe it, do believe it, or whatever, what are all the 2012 predictions? I don't believe it but there are SOOOO much different predictiions as too what will happen that i wanna know -.-

      So far i got 3:

      The Earth will simply disaster itself; fires, hurricanes, tornadoes, the works!
      Planet X( Nibaru) will smash into us or something like that -.-
      Yellowstone Super-Volcano will super-erupt again.

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      There's also a lot about a 'global consciousness revolution' where humanity all become enlightened/peaceful/go to heaven/another dimension.

      The 'predictions' are so vague and disparate, virtually anything that happens next year will be held up as 'evidence'. Earthquake: evidence. A war breaks out: evidence. A war ends: evidence. HIV cured: evidence. Supervirus breaks out: evidence. Obama not reelected: evidence. Obama reelected: evidence.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      inb4nothing

      There's also a lot about a 'global consciousness revolution' where humanity all become enlightened/peaceful/go to heaven/another dimension.

      The 'predictions' are so vague and disparate, virtually anything that happens next year will be held up as 'evidence'. Earthquake: evidence. A war breaks out: evidence. A war ends: evidence. HIV cured: evidence. Supervirus breaks out: evidence. Obama not reelected: evidence. Obama reelected: evidence.
      Evidence for what?


      As far as the Mayan prophecies go, and the Hopi which I have been learning from the Elders:

      Mayan prophecy: The end of a cycle of time, time ends, a new time begins. That is it.
      Hopi prophecy: We enter the fifth world, we are in the fourth world now. The Elders I have been speaking to say that a world is a Kingdom, ie. mineral kingdom, plant kingdom, etc... I am still trying to understand what they are trying to teach me.

      Other sources (New Age): Humanity will achieve a global mind and also each person keeps his individuality. The internet is seen as a metaphor for this.

      Tibetan (their prophecies have a way of always coming true, and their prophecies are not vague or mysterious): Warfare between nations from 2000-2012. In 2011 an even will trigger a big war where all nations will polarize on two sides. 2012, beginning of World War and nuclear bombs will be used. Intervention from enlightened beings from space. And after that humans will use technology for peace and environmental issues rather than greed and war.

      My teacher's prophecies: There is no date where everything will change, but things will be changing gradually leading up to 2012, after 2012 humanity's consciousness will be choosing oneness and peace, but we will have 500 years before we realize it in our global situations.

      As for what I believe? I believe the Mayan, the Hopi, and my teacher's prophecies. I would also like it if the enlightened aliens intervened, but I will wait and see before saying I believe in it or not. The Tibetans have a great track record.

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      Aw, I thought this was for the presidential elections.
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      Donald Trump in 2012.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Spartiate View Post
      Donald Trump in 2012.
      The rope and stool industries would skyrocket.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Spartiate View Post
      Donald Trump in 2012.
      Worst case doomsday scenario?

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      What do you mean, evidence for what? Didn't you understand my post..?

      What exactly does 'time ending, a new time begins' mean? I don't know what this actually means so please explain it properly. Why do you think this will happen? Why do you take the Mayans on their word? What's special about them, compared to African tribes who think we're about to be eaten by giant flaming space lion? Did they give any evidence? Indeed, why do you think this was the word of the Mayans? From what I've heard they didn't think anything transformative was going to happen at all, it's just a calendar.

      What were the first through to fourth worlds? Again, what is your basis for thinking this; especially considering by your own admission you don't really know what 'this' is?

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      Quote Originally Posted by Xei View Post
      What do you mean, evidence for what? Didn't you understand my post..?
      I mean: what is the evidence evidence for? That 2012 is: ????

      What exactly does 'time ending, a new time begins' mean? I don't know what this actually means so please explain it properly. Why do you think this will happen? Why do you take the Mayans on their word? What's special about them, compared to African tribes who think we're about to be eaten by giant flaming space lion? Did they give any evidence? Indeed, why do you think this was the word of the Mayans? From what I've heard they didn't think anything transformative was going to happen at all, it's just a calendar.
      As far as I understand from what they have told me, time ending and a new time beginning means that time goes in cycles in a higher dimension. The Mayans are very interested in time, moreso than any other culture. They are obsessed with time. They developed the means to predict every solar eclipse, the procession of the Equinoxes etc. way before the Greeks did. SO what does it mean? I don't know. But it seems to me from talking with them that they have an understanding of time that isn't the same as the ordinary person. They talk about time as if it is a tangible thing that they can touch. But they don't have any doomsday prophecies regarding 2012. But they do agree with the Hopis that we will enter the fifth world. As for what that means?
      What were the first through to fourth worlds? Again, what is your basis for thinking this; especially considering by your own admission you don't really know what 'this' is?
      I didn't say that I thought this, I just relayed what the Hopi Elders have told me. Hopi Elders are not New Agers. The first 4 worlds were mineral, vegetable, protozoa, and animal as far as I can tell. They don't really mention the fungi. Knowing how they think is more important than knowing what they think. I am working on it right now spending time with them and learning from them. What makes them more special than Africans? I don't know the flaming space lion that you talk about, and I think that you are serious but could be kidding, what tribe is this? I am not hanging out with tribal Africans so I am not qualified to even offer an explanation. But as far as the Mayans go, they have mapped out every pole reversal that happened before them until now and that is verified. Tribal Africans were not the same as the Egyptians, and the American Indian tribes are different also. The Mayans had a technology on par with the Egyptians, and the Hopis also. The Hopis were the original tribe that all the other tribes broke off of when they left to not fulfill the Hopi prophecy. The Mayans did fulfill the Hopi prophecy though by being the "Keepers of the Cycles" in the South. All the Native Americans revere the Mayans and looked to them for their understanding of time and calendars. The Mayans predicted the Spanish invasion of Cortez. I don't know how they do this. I am just saying.... So there are many Earth based tribes of people with indigenous knowledge that they got from dreaming about herbs and food and medicine. Then there are the other cultures with non-indigenous culture, that have knowledge about writing, advanced math and astronomy etc. like the Egyptians and the Mayans and the ancient Hindus. The Greek culture got its knowledge of math, philosophy, logic, etc. from India and Egypt. It was the Greeks who lived in India who came back and started the whole Greek philosophy thing as opposed to the Olympian Gods mythology. Now, what is left is handed down from generation to generation orally and nobody really has the true knowledge of what it means except for maybe a few people I haven't met. But I will some day.

      The whole debate is how do these people think? We cannot take them literally,because they do not think like we do, but they do have knowledge about how the world works that we do not understand. Hanging out with Hopis in their ceremonies and talking with them one sees crazy shit and has respect for these people. But they think different than us and so we can either be like an anthropologist that has preconceived ideas that these people don't know what they are talking about, or we can have respect for them and learn what they are thinking.

      I believe that the Hopis and the Mayans know something that we don't know, because I hang out with them and they do know things that we don't. Not every Hopi or every Mayan, but the ones who are old and keep the knowledge of their roots. But there are lots of people who know things that we don't know.
      I don't think that in that in 2013 things will be much different than they are today.

      As far as the solar flares though: the Earthquakes in New Zealand and Japan happened when massive solar flares reached the Earth. The Earth's magnetic sphere is very intimate with plate tectonics as we know. Has anyone been following the solar activity lately? It is quite amazing really especially since mid December.

      Silly Xei, don't you know these New Age folks operate with such a degree of vagueness that expecting an answer from them is like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000
      expecting an answer from them is like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000? What does that mean? And are Hopis and Mayans New Age folks? What is New Age? I think of New Age as people who get their spiritual teachings from 'channeled' aliens rather than actually the culture that made the prophecies. Much of the bullshit about 2012 is from New Age folks who have never talked to a Mayan Elder and tried to understand the original teachings. Now when people hear about 2012 they think of New Agers and doomsday bullshit. These predictions were not made by the Mayans. I will say that again: these predictions were not made by the Mayans, but by people who make their living off of channeling aliens and jumping on to any prophecy to further their agendas and careers. These are folks who pay taxes, sit up late thinking about correlations, and balance their checkbooks. The Hopi are people who don't care about that shit. They are people who are trying to keep their culture, and they have knowledge from way back that they are still keeping secret. They are told to keep things secret until certain prophecies come true. When they come true an elder comes forward and shares it and it is confirmed by the rest of the Elders.

      Of course we live in a modern world and there is no room for these Elders and their knowledge anymore, to folks on the internet at least, or so it seems. But these folks still live and keep their culture alive and are willing to share it with people who care and their culture is rich and amazing. Having only been to Morocco and Mali and not anywhere else in Africa I have not met any culture comparable to the Native Americans.
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      Silly Xei, don't you know these New Age folks operate with such a degree of vagueness that expecting an answer from them is like 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000.
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      I've read about a lot of 2012 predictions. Among them are a magnetic pole shift (this one in particular I don't find too unreasonable, but there's no reason why it would happen in 2012) possibly caused by a giant solar flare, knocking out all of our satellites and technology, the antichrist, the Jewish New World Order (not joking; look up the Joy of Satan cult), the reptilian NWO, Nibiru, the arrival of the Anunnaki, the rapture, global consciousness, an earthwide DMT trip, ascension into a higher 'dimension', and a planet-wide war over humanity between intergalactic aliens and super-advanced evil shapeshifting reptilian entities.


      Fuck it, I might as well just start my own cult. This shit is just too damn easy.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MindGames View Post
      I've read about a lot of 2012 predictions. Among them are a magnetic pole shift (this one in particular I don't find too unreasonable, but there's no reason why it would happen in 2012) possibly caused by a giant solar flare, knocking out all of our satellites and technology, the antichrist, the Jewish New World Order (not joking; look up the Joy of Satan cult), the reptilian NWO, Nibiru, the arrival of the Anunnaki, the rapture, global consciousness, an earthwide DMT trip, ascension into a higher 'dimension', and a planet-wide war over humanity between intergalactic aliens and super-advanced evil shapeshifting reptilian entities.


      Fuck it, I might as well just start my own cult. This shit is just too damn easy.
      The magnetic shift is actually a very reasonable scenario. As far as the Earth's magnetic sphere, it is getting weaker every weak and it looks crazy. Shit, there is a website that has the current map of the magnetic sphere on it. Also, the sun is acting up, and the Sun's solar flares are affecting the Earth's magnetic sphere. Every 12 years the Sun's magnetic poles flip sending out tons of radioactive magnetic solar wind. There is a bunch headed this way right now scheduled to arrive May 1st. We are due for a pole shift, in fact it has been shifting all the time but it has been shifting more rapidly and dramatically lately. The solar storm of 2012 is supposed to be very big. And the Earth's magnetic sphere is supposed to be the weakest. I hate how in that 2012 movie they made it so that the whole Earth moved around so that the geographical poles were in different places. BULLSHIT! Impossible. That movie was such complete bullshit. The NOrthern Lights have been appearing more south than usual lately, because of the Earth's weakening magnetic field.

      As far as all the Alien shit, most of that shit is bullshit. It would be cool though if there was some disclosure. An Earthwide DMT trip is the same thing as an ascension into a higher dimension. That is possible if somehow the weakened electromagnetic field allows more solar flares into our atmosphere, heightening the amps our nervous systems channel. As far as the traditional prophecies, I have already shared them. As for the scientific prophecies concerning the Sun and the Earth and the electromagnetic field, I have just shared them. What is interesting is that not only is the Earth heating up, but every planet in our solar system is warming, as is the Sun. I think that we can expect some very interesting phenomena from the Sun in the years to come.

      I was walking to the store the other day and I saw two garage doors open by themselves and an electronic gate. When I got to the store the credit card machines were down. I looked online and found out that the strongest solar flare in recorded history had just hit the Earth. What is that theoretical physicist's name? Ah yes, Michio Kaku, he has some interesting 2012 prophecies.

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      Quote Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut View Post
      The magnetic shift is actually a very reasonable scenario. As far as the Earth's magnetic sphere, it is getting weaker every weak and it looks crazy. Shit, there is a website that has the current map of the magnetic sphere on it. Also, the sun is acting up, and the Sun's solar flares are affecting the Earth's magnetic sphere. Every 12 years the Sun's magnetic poles flip sending out tons of radioactive magnetic solar wind. There is a bunch headed this way right now scheduled to arrive May 1st. We are due for a pole shift, in fact it has been shifting all the time but it has been shifting more rapidly and dramatically lately. The solar storm of 2012 is supposed to be very big. And the Earth's magnetic sphere is supposed to be the weakest. I hate how in that 2012 movie they made it so that the whole Earth moved around so that the geographical poles were in different places. BULLSHIT! Impossible. That movie was such complete bullshit. The NOrthern Lights have been appearing more south than usual lately, because of the Earth's weakening magnetic field.

      As far as all the Alien shit, most of that shit is bullshit. It would be cool though if there was some disclosure. An Earthwide DMT trip is the same thing as an ascension into a higher dimension. That is possible if somehow the weakened electromagnetic field allows more solar flares into our atmosphere, heightening the amps our nervous systems channel. As far as the traditional prophecies, I have already shared them. As for the scientific prophecies concerning the Sun and the Earth and the electromagnetic field, I have just shared them. What is interesting is that not only is the Earth heating up, but every planet in our solar system is warming, as is the Sun. I think that we can expect some very interesting phenomena from the Sun in the years to come.

      I was walking to the store the other day and I saw two garage doors open by themselves and an electronic gate. When I got to the store the credit card machines were down. I looked online and found out that the strongest solar flare in recorded history had just hit the Earth. What is that theoretical physicist's name? Ah yes, Michio Kaku, he has some interesting 2012 prophecies.
      If indeed the sun is sending out more powerful solar flares, there's really no reason to believe that 2012 is the year that they will all of a sudden destroy the majority of our technology. Any speculations about 2012 being the year for any type of catastrophic phenomenon is most likely stemming from the hype surrounding 2012. And if anything does happen that year, it's not going to be of catastrophic significance.

      As for an earthwide DMT trip, that's a real stretch, even if there does happen to be a solar flare. I'm not aware of any DMT-related solar flare events that have ever occurred.

      With respect to Mr. Kaku, although he is a respectable dumb-it-down physicist, his 2012 predictions are as good as anybody's. It's most likely that nothing at all will happen in 2012 except for perhaps a few people giving me their cars and earthly possessions in anticipation of the rapture. I'll keep my fingers crossed.

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      No no no, it'll end on May 21 of this year!

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      Well, the hype is a bunch of bullshit. I don't mean to be spreading rumors of catastrophe. But the solar flares will peak in 2012. Just a coincidence maybe. The DMT thing is a real stretch. But it is conceivable, at least to me. Since the pineal gland is very sensitive to electro-magnetics. But there is much wrong with that theory. There are catastrophes happening all the time, so I don't think that it is right to predict that nothing catastrophic will happen in 2012. But doomsday? No.
      I think that Michio Kaku is more qualified to speak about solar flares than the average person on these forums. It is very likely that something will happen in 2012 because stuff happens all the time. Nobody will give you their Earthly possessions though.
      If the poles flip, that will be amazing, as they are now, they are only shifting. We had three magnetic north poles for two months this past winter. Strangely, the solar storm seemed to set it right again. Sometimes the solar storms strengthen the Earth's magnetic field but mostly they weaken it.

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      I don't know about earthquakes and aliens. I doubt ANY of that is going to happen.

      I believe 2012 is all about humans realizing the power of prayer/belief/visualization and intuition to manifest things and circumstances in the physical. I don't want to go to far into this because this is in
      extended discussion...but yea. There is a higher consciousness that you can tap into that can provide everything you need Inner-Peace, well-being, health, abundance, wealth, unlimited creativity, and all you have to do is wake-up and stay present.
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      I'm pretty sure the same thing is going to happen that people ranted and raved about for the turn of the new millennium. Precession is the only ideal event that would transpire based off what we are currently noticing.

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      I haven't read anything, maybe this was posted, but I can calm you all down. There is very big historical... amm... FAIL. We count years not from the birth of Jesus, but from when he turned 4. Mayans didn't know that, so their callendar should count 2016 or 2015 now. 2010 was few years ago. ;D
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      The Mayans did not make their calender based off of Jesus and has nothing to do with our calender.

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      That's not what I've meant. ;D
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      Quote Originally Posted by Purebred View Post
      That's not what I've meant. ;D
      I didn't think you meant that exactly, but I didn't know what you meant. Are you saying that we mistranslated the time for the Mayan calendar ending? I don't think that it was mistranslated because it was never converted to our calendar directly but by astronomical events such as eclipses etc. and the testimony of living Mayan elders. If our calendar is based off of Jesus's birth erroneously that has no significance to when the Mayan calendar ends. It is hard to be clear, what I mean is that the Mayan calendar ends in a little over a year and a half from now no matter what year we call it.

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      If indeed the sun is sending out more powerful solar flares, there's really no reason to believe that 2012 is the year that they will all of a sudden destroy the majority of our technology. Any speculations about 2012 being the year for any type of catastrophic phenomenon is most likely stemming from the hype surrounding 2012. And if anything does happen that year, it's not going to be of catastrophic significance.
      well.. actually there is a reason that 2012 to be the yr of destruction... you've already discussed about the solar flares...

      Well, who cares if the Sun flips again? it flips every 11 years so why should should the next flip be any different?
      The solar cycle of 2012 is more significant than any other for several reasons:

      1. During this time the two biggest planets in our solar system, Saturn and Jupiter, will be in line with each other. The gravitational effects of the two planets on the Sun will cause it to wobble during it's pole shift. This can have huge effects on the magnitude of the CME's the Sun will be tossing into space. The Earth regularly gets hit with small CME's and research says that the increased magnitude of these CME's are one of the major causes of global warming, and changes in the ecosystem.

      2. Right now the Sun's south magnetic pole is in line with the Earth's north magnetic pole. Since opposites attract, the Sun, along with it's gravitational influence from Saturn and Jupiter, may cause the Earth to switch magnetic poles too! With the magnetic field of the Earth switching in a matter of minutes, there can be huge disruptions in the Earth's geological and ecological system. It can cause mass earthquakes and volcano eruptions all over the world. After it's all done, compasses will point South, the Sun will rise in the West and set in the East. But remember, this is a magnetic switch only.

      3. The most far fetched possibility and probably the most catastrophic is the phenomenon called "polar wander". Polar wander is a result of the Earth's outer crust shifting at a rapid rate. The magnetic poles stay put but Antarctica becomes the equator and the tropics become the North Pole. I really don't have to stress why a polar wander could be catastrophic because if you picture a phenomenon like this happening in a matter of minutes, you can understand why. There is evidence of a polar wander occurring before in the distant past due to the fossils of Coral in Greenland and Woolly Mammoth bones found in Central America. Of course, in order for a polar wander to occur, it would take a huge amount of imbalance, like an asteroid collision, in the Earth to trigger it.

      4. The final event that will occur on December 21, 2012 will be at 11:12 GMT. It's a phenomenon that the Mayans referred to as the "Sacred Tree" and it happens every 25,800 years. At that time our Sun will line up directly with the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. For thousands of years, our solar system has been hovering around the top of the galactic plane and this galactic alignment could have huge effects on our solar system.

      "The ecliptic cross over the Milky Way at a 60 degree angle near the constellation Sagittarius. As such, it forms a cross with the Milky Way, and this cosmic cross was called the Sacred Tree by the ancient Maya. (The cross form was also known as the "crossroads." Amazingly, the center of this cosmic cross, that is right where the ecliptic crosses over the Milky Way is exactly where the December solstice sun will be in A.D. 2012. This alignment occurs only once every 25,800 years."

      There is supposedly a black hole in the middle of the Milky Way holding everything together. Our solar system is around the outer edge of the disc. When our solar system lines up with center of the galaxy, we will be at the strongest part of the galaxy's magnetic field where there is maximum gravitation. So, with the Sun's solar cycle being at it's maximum, the alignment of Saturn and Jupiter, and the alignment of the sun with the equator of the Milky Way, this will REALLY cause an increase in the magnitude of the Sun's solar flares. Of course the gravitational complexities will also have an influence on whether or not the Earth will undergo a magnetic pole shift. There is also speculation that the Earth may reverse its rotation since we'll be in the opposite hemisphere of the galaxy!

      "According to the Mayas, the center of the Galaxy is the cosmic womb; The place of dead, transformation, regeneration and rebirth. This moment shows the end of their calendar."

      There are a lot of questions that will be answered in the year 2012. Although the Mayan calender has a mystery on a specific date, some of the scientific complexities will gradually become observable. Depletion of the ozone, increase in volcanic activity, and changes in weather patterns are all natural results of some of the events explained. However, whether or not the Mayans had some sort of insight into the future will remain a mystery.

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      1. During this time the two biggest planets in our solar system, Saturn and Jupiter, will be in line with each other. The gravitational effects of the two planets on the Sun



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