Thread: What are all the 2012 predictions?

If indeed the sun is sending out more powerful solar flares, there's really no reason to believe that 2012 is the year that they will all of a sudden destroy the majority of our technology. Any speculations about 2012 being the year for any type of catastrophic phenomenon is most likely stemming from the hype surrounding 2012. And if anything does happen that year, it's not going to be of catastrophic significance.

well.. actually there is a reason that 2012 to be the yr of destruction... you've already discussed about the solar flares...

Well, who cares if the Sun flips again? it flips every 11 years so why should should the next flip be any different?
The solar cycle of 2012 is more significant than any other for several reasons:

1. During this time the two biggest planets in our solar system, Saturn and Jupiter, will be in line with each other. The gravitational effects of the two planets on the Sun will cause it to wobble during it's pole shift. This can have huge effects on the magnitude of the CME's the Sun will be tossing into space. The Earth regularly gets hit with small CME's and research says that the increased magnitude of these CME's are one of the major causes of global warming, and changes in the ecosystem.

2. Right now the Sun's south magnetic pole is in line with the Earth's north magnetic pole. Since opposites attract, the Sun, along with it's gravitational influence from Saturn and Jupiter, may cause the Earth to switch magnetic poles too! With the magnetic field of the Earth switching in a matter of minutes, there can be huge disruptions in the Earth's geological and ecological system. It can cause mass earthquakes and volcano eruptions all over the world. After it's all done, compasses will point South, the Sun will rise in the West and set in the East. But remember, this is a magnetic switch only.

3. The most far fetched possibility and probably the most catastrophic is the phenomenon called "polar wander". Polar wander is a result of the Earth's outer crust shifting at a rapid rate. The magnetic poles stay put but Antarctica becomes the equator and the tropics become the North Pole. I really don't have to stress why a polar wander could be catastrophic because if you picture a phenomenon like this happening in a matter of minutes, you can understand why. There is evidence of a polar wander occurring before in the distant past due to the fossils of Coral in Greenland and Woolly Mammoth bones found in Central America. Of course, in order for a polar wander to occur, it would take a huge amount of imbalance, like an asteroid collision, in the Earth to trigger it.

4. The final event that will occur on December 21, 2012 will be at 11:12 GMT. It's a phenomenon that the Mayans referred to as the "Sacred Tree" and it happens every 25,800 years. At that time our Sun will line up directly with the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. For thousands of years, our solar system has been hovering around the top of the galactic plane and this galactic alignment could have huge effects on our solar system.

"The ecliptic cross over the Milky Way at a 60 degree angle near the constellation Sagittarius. As such, it forms a cross with the Milky Way, and this cosmic cross was called the Sacred Tree by the ancient Maya. (The cross form was also known as the "crossroads." Amazingly, the center of this cosmic cross, that is right where the ecliptic crosses over the Milky Way is exactly where the December solstice sun will be in A.D. 2012. This alignment occurs only once every 25,800 years."

There is supposedly a black hole in the middle of the Milky Way holding everything together. Our solar system is around the outer edge of the disc. When our solar system lines up with center of the galaxy, we will be at the strongest part of the galaxy's magnetic field where there is maximum gravitation. So, with the Sun's solar cycle being at it's maximum, the alignment of Saturn and Jupiter, and the alignment of the sun with the equator of the Milky Way, this will REALLY cause an increase in the magnitude of the Sun's solar flares. Of course the gravitational complexities will also have an influence on whether or not the Earth will undergo a magnetic pole shift. There is also speculation that the Earth may reverse its rotation since we'll be in the opposite hemisphere of the galaxy!

"According to the Mayas, the center of the Galaxy is the cosmic womb; The place of dead, transformation, regeneration and rebirth. This moment shows the end of their calendar."

There are a lot of questions that will be answered in the year 2012. Although the Mayan calender has a mystery on a specific date, some of the scientific complexities will gradually become observable. Depletion of the ozone, increase in volcanic activity, and changes in weather patterns are all natural results of some of the events explained. However, whether or not the Mayans had some sort of insight into the future will remain a mystery.

Originally Posted by sunny108

1. During this time the two biggest planets in our solar system, Saturn and Jupiter, will be in line with each other. The gravitational effects of the two planets on the Sun

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

They are told to keep things secret until certain prophecies come true. When they come true an elder comes forward and shares it and it is confirmed by the rest of the Elders.

I predicted Osama would get killed, but I'm only telling you now coz it was a secret. Believe?

Hahaha, that elders thing is so funny I can't believe it wasn't made facetiously... them elders, always so full of shit ain't they?

Originally Posted by sunny108

1. During this time the two biggest planets in our solar system, Saturn and Jupiter, will be in line with each other. The gravitational effects of the two planets on the Sun will cause it to wobble during it's pole shift. This can have huge effects on the magnitude of the CME's the Sun will be tossing into space. The Earth regularly gets hit with small CME's and research says that the increased magnitude of these CME's are one of the major causes of global warming, and changes in the ecosystem.

The planet Mercury has a hell of a lot stronger pull on the Sun than Jupiter and Saturn combined. Jupiter is almost a half a billion miles away and Saturn is 900 million. If you thought their gravity was that strong, show me an ocean tide caused by Jupiter.

Originally Posted by sunny108

2. Right now the Sun's south magnetic pole is in line with the Earth's north magnetic pole. Since opposites attract, the Sun, along with it's gravitational influence from Saturn and Jupiter, may cause the Earth to switch magnetic poles too! With the magnetic field of the Earth switching in a matter of minutes, there can be huge disruptions in the Earth's geological and ecological system. It can cause mass earthquakes and volcano eruptions all over the world. After it's all done, compasses will point South, the Sun will rise in the West and set in the East. But remember, this is a magnetic switch only.

The sun can not alter our magnetic polarity. Have you any idea the amount of force it would take to do that? The only thing that can cause geomagnetic reversal is changes in the flow at the earths core. Do you know that the suns magnetic field can't touch the core? It's surrounded by 8 octillion tons of moving iron, that creates a huge field. If the sun's magnetic field was strong enough to effect ours, wouldn't our magnetic compasses malfunction?

Originally Posted by sunny108

4. The final event that will occur on December 21, 2012 will be at 11:12 GMT. It's a phenomenon that the Mayans referred to as the "Sacred Tree" and it happens every 25,800 years. At that time our Sun will line up directly with the center of the Milky Way Galaxy. For thousands of years, our solar system has been hovering around the top of the galactic plane and this galactic alignment could have huge effects on our solar system.

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Originally Posted by sunny108

There is supposedly a black hole in the middle of the Milky Way holding everything together. Our solar system is around the outer edge of the disc. When our solar system lines up with center of the galaxy, we will be at the strongest part of the galaxy's magnetic field where there is maximum gravitation. So, with the Sun's solar cycle being at it's maximum, the alignment of Saturn and Jupiter, and the alignment of the sun with the equator of the Milky Way, this will REALLY cause an increase in the magnitude of the Sun's solar flares. Of course the gravitational complexities will also have an influence on whether or not the Earth will undergo a magnetic pole shift. There is also speculation that the Earth may reverse its rotation since we'll be in the opposite hemisphere of the galaxy!

There IS a black hole in the middle of our galaxy. Scientists have observed it, that is not theory anymore. It's also 50 million light years away, if it has any gravitational effect on the earth, we would see it in our tides. The force of gravity falls off exponentially with distance. The black hole does not hold our galaxy together, it holds itself together. It heavily attracts things close to it, but the combined force of the stars all pulling themselves together is much stronger (but still insignificant) compared to the force required to do what you are saying.

Originally Posted by sunny108

"According to the Mayas, the center of the Galaxy is the cosmic womb; The place of dead, transformation, regeneration and rebirth. This moment shows the end of their calendar."

Well according to science that is 2000 years ahead of theirs, the centre of the Galaxy is nothing but a black hole.

Wow, where did you get your info, Fox News? You seem to know as much about science as Bill O'Reilly. You are seriously overestimating the force of gravity and seriously underestimating the distances involved.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

The planet Mercury has a hell of a lot stronger pull on the Sun than Jupiter and Saturn combined. Jupiter is almost a half a billion miles away and Saturn is 900 million. If you thought their gravity was that strong, show me an ocean tide caused by Jupiter.

...so what? Jupiter is like, 500 times as massive. I just did the math and unless I dun goofed, at their semiaxes, Jupiter's influence is 35 times that of Mercury's.

It's at times like these I wonder how you could possibly know general relativity if you don't get stuff like inverse square (...not exponential) laws. :/

Originally Posted by Xei

...so what? Jupiter is like, 500 times as massive. I just did the math and unless I dun goofed, at their semiaxes, Jupiter's influence is 35 times that of Mercury's.

It's at times like these I wonder how you could possibly know general relativity if you don't get stuff like inverse square (...not exponential) laws. :/

I love your brain. When you die, it should be placed in the Smithsonian museum.

2012 debunked... it's done by a christian but he does at least a good job.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

I love your brain. When you die, it should be placed in the Smithsonian museum.

I love and frequently have intercourse with my brain too, but this is just 'high school stuff' with a side order of Wikipedia.

lol....

hehe, just watched that last one. all parts. he's quite wacky too. pretty paranoid.

Originally Posted by tommo

I predicted Osama would get killed, but I'm only telling you now coz it was a secret. Believe?

That is not what I meant. I didn't mean they would come out after something happened and say they had predicted it but kept it a secret. I mean that a prophecy like when Osama is killed, someone coming out and saying that "Ok, now that Osama is killed we are to reveal our prophecy that the week after he is killed *some crazy terrorist attack* will happen in Europe." You see the difference? These prophecies they make have all come true so far.

By the way, whether or not anything at all happens in 2012 it still is amazing that the Mayans had a far better understanding of astronomy than we give anybody credit for.

Originally Posted by Xei

...so what? Jupiter is like, 500 times as massive. I just did the math and unless I dun goofed, at their semiaxes, Jupiter's influence is 35 times that of Mercury's.

It's at times like these I wonder how you could possibly know general relativity if you don't get stuff like inverse square (...not exponential) laws. :/

Did I say exponential, I meant inverse square. I did the math last night and I got mercury pulling on the sun almost ten times as hard as Jupiter.

EDIT: You're right, jupiter pulls 30 times harder, I must have miscalculated one of the scientific notations. It still doesn't make the slightest difference. I'm positive that the pull of the moon is hundreds of times stronger than Jupiter on earth, I don't even need to do the calculations for that.

Anyone who does not believe as I do is dumb.

The sun always wobbles around the center of mass of the solar system. Most of the time the center of mass of the solar system is outside the sun, so the sun orbits it. The Mayans new this and most astronomers to this day don't know this. i am glad that you guys are talking about this. As the planets align in different ways the sun wobbles in different ways. It is interesting to me how you guys are calculating the gravitational pull on the sun from different planets. Cool. It would be nice to see a list of order of gravitational pull from most to least. I also would like to see a time-lapse computer simulation of the sun's wobble and the orbits of the planets, calculating the gravitational effect on the Earth, or each planet, but namely the Earth from moment to moment.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Did I say exponential, I meant inverse square. I did the math last night and I got mercury pulling on the sun almost ten times as hard as Jupiter.

EDIT: You're right, jupiter pulls 30 times harder, I must have miscalculated one of the scientific notations. It still doesn't make the slightest difference. I'm positive that the pull of the moon is hundreds of times stronger than Jupiter on earth, I don't even need to do the calculations for that.

Sorry yes, I wasn't really taking into account whatever you were making an analogy about, I was addressing what I saw.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

The sun always wobbles around the center of mass of the solar system. Most of the time the center of mass of the solar system is outside the sun, so the sun orbits it. The Mayans new this and most astronomers to this day don't know this.

Hahahahahahahaha.... oh boy.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

The sun always wobbles around the center of mass of the solar system. Most of the time the center of mass of the solar system is outside the sun, so the sun orbits it. The Mayans new this and most astronomers to this day don't know this.

Yeah, they don't know it even though its one of the methods used to determine if there are planets orbiting a star. Right.

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

The sun always wobbles around the center of mass of the solar system. Most of the time the center of mass of the solar system is outside the sun, so the sun orbits it. The Mayans new this and most astronomers to this day don't know this. i am glad that you guys are talking about this. As the planets align in different ways the sun wobbles in different ways. It is interesting to me how you guys are calculating the gravitational pull on the sun from different planets. Cool. It would be nice to see a list of order of gravitational pull from most to least. I also would like to see a time-lapse computer simulation of the sun's wobble and the orbits of the planets, calculating the gravitational effect on the Earth, or each planet, but namely the Earth from moment to moment.

Why? I bet there is one on the internet somewhere.
But you're missing the point.
Planets barely have any effect on other planets. They especially have almost no effect on the sun.
Even though ninja and xei said the pull is 30 times stronger on the Sun from Jupiter, that is still a really fucking tiny amount.
Just look at the picture, I thought it spoke for itself.

The planets are almost always in different areas around the sun, I could understand if they were all lined up they would have a tiny pull on the sun.
But as it is 99.99% of the time, they have a negligible effect. i.e They aren't going to effect the "wobble" of the Sun.

yes. the sun wobbles as it orbits around the gravitational mass center of the solar system. you may not think that it is significant, but it does nonetheless.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

Yeah, they don't know it even though its one of the methods used to determine if there are planets orbiting a star. Right.

Some know it. But ask an astronomer. 8 times out of 10 they don't know it. Guarantied. It makes complete sense though. But that is NOT how they determine if there are planets orbiting a star. It makes sense that you wou.d say that, but the center of mass is usually not because of the existence of planets. You are just assuming that in order to laugh at me, but planets are not most of the mass that orbits a star. Find out what it is first, then.... do what you want.

My spell check is not working

Originally Posted by Dannon Oneironaut

yes. the sun wobbles as it orbits around the gravitational mass center of the solar system. you may not think that it is significant, but it does nonetheless.

Cool bro.

Substantiate the claim you're making about most astronomers, Dannon.

Anybody who knows high school physics knows that the sun wobbles, Dannon; it is a fundamental fact that things accelerate due to gravitation towards the centre of mass, and it is also patently clear that the centre of mass does not stay in the same place relative to the sun. Hence... any professional astronomer will know this, alongside any decently educated 18 year old who thinks about it for two seconds.

What I'd really like you to do is substantiate your claim about the Mayans. There is absolutely no way they had such precise technology to realise this through observation, and with respects to their physical knowledge... uh, didn't they still believe in a geocentric model, let alone have detailed knowledge of the intricacies of a Copernican one?? These people had no conception of gravitation, had never seen anything that didn't appear to orbit the Earth, didn't even realise the existence of two whole planets, and had no conception of what a planet even was other than the utterly incorrect 'star that moves about a bit'. Seriously, both of your claims are absurd and lacking in any general understanding of scientific history; if you can't provide any sources you really need to be asking yourself why you believe this stuff.

No, no no! You guys are ALL WRONG!