Quote Originally Posted by snoop View Post
It's fine if you believe that it should be illegal past a certain date in the pregnancy, etc., but basically, as I interpret it, you believe that it should be legal (albeit with a few stipulations/rules). That's not really in the middle. Either you are for abortion or against it... or have no opinion at all (the aforementioned "middle").
So far looking at this thread, though, it seems a lot of the pro-choicers are ok with abortion way longer into the pregnancy than I would draw the line (I'd draw it at when the first signs of consciousness appear; I don't think there's a definite answer of when exactly that is, so at the moment I'd have the line at the end of the first trimester until we get a better idea of when that point is). I'd also support considering abortion after that point as murder, legally. I think (I could be wrong) a lot of pro-choicers would have a problem with that, so I dont generally refer to myself as pro-choice even though I am to some extent.

@buriedmonsters: Bringing religion into it only hurts your argument, not everyone is religious, and appealing to the concept of "souls" which they (and I) don't believe in, is not going to do anything to convince them. There actually ARE secular pro-life arguments (I used to be 100% pro-life even as an agnostic atheist), and using them would work better (even though it's still very very difficult to change anyone's mind on this matter).