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better idea: you prove they were anything else.
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Occam's razor. False memories are common and well understood. Having a memory of an event before you have a central nervous system is quite ridiculous. Burden of proof and whatnot.
Hahaha, I don't have to prove jack shit. I have no memories before about 3. Ask Pan to prove it.


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And my argument is that a fully grown woman, who understands life and death and all that stuff, takes priority over a lump of developing cells. I won't err on the side of caution when the consequences can quite very well impact her life directly. Conception is such an arbitrary line to draw...why not viability? The point where the fetus can survive outside the womb with a 50% chance of survival? Surely this would make more sense. It would certainly be better than protecting a single cell just because it can kinda sorta maybe be considered the beginning of human life.
No one life gets to take priority over another. If life worked that way, then I guess I'm more important than millions of other people, because I'm younger and healthier, and my wants over-shadow theirs.


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As religion demonstrates, just because a majority believes it, doesn't mean it's right.
Sure. And just because you believe it doesn't mean it's right either.


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A better question would be, how do souls magically give meaning to life? Why can't humans define their own lives and own terms of existence? I'm with blueline. We give meaning to lives ourselves. By existing and thinking and developing, we define our own meanings and purposes. There doesn't need to be anything mystical or magical about the world to give life value. Isn't a thinking human being enough? Why do we have to so degrade that with notions of wizardry and souls? What does a soul even do, and why can't humans do it?
This is really very simple. If you have no soul, you were not created with purpose, and were simply born to die and rot that means you have no value. You are as worthwhile as the chicken I just ate for dinner. Just because you want to have meaning and a purpose, does not mean you have one. You can dellusion yourself all you want, it doesn't make it true. You have no value, and I can do whatever I wish to you, with or without your consent.


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Well, a fetus is attached to its mother via placenta. It is essentially part of a host, too. And we're back to the potential-for-life argument, which has already been explained is bullshit. Also, cloning. Taking a complete cell and making a new person out of it. There's also a rare condition when women can fertilize an egg all on their lonesome without sperm.
Yes, it is attatched to it's mother. This does not change the fact that it has it's own seperate DNA and is not actually a part of the mother. A child is attatched via umbilical cord to it's mother even after it's born, but you can't kill a newborn just because someone has not severed the physical attatchment to the mother.