Everyone has been saying "oh they're a bunch of bloody thugs just looking to break shit". |
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Everyone has been saying "oh they're a bunch of bloody thugs just looking to break shit". |
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Last edited by tommo; 08-10-2011 at 07:49 AM.
Riots everywhere! One can dream. |
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Actually the first thing I said when I saw the news about the riots were "But why are they rioting? There must be some underlying reason." |
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April Ryan is my friend,
Every sorrow she can mend.
When i visit her dark realm,
Does it simply overwhelm.
Greed? If you read the social media messages which organised this, it's all about 'let's go get some free stuff'. It's not about racial oppression either if that were the guy's point about his grandson; the people doing this are black and white. |
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Last edited by Scatterbrain; 08-10-2011 at 11:43 AM.
- Are you an idiot?
- No sir, I'm a dreamer.
The police in this country seem to use force only as a last resort. In countries like China, these riots would easily be quelled within a few hours. These people (if you can call them that) obviously lack basic morality and discipline, so I think it's safe to assume that they won't go away if no one does something to stop them. |
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I don't think anyone's saying they're doing it for no reason. They're saying that they're either doing it for x reason or y reason, when in reality different people are doing it for different reasons. |
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Last edited by StonedApe; 08-10-2011 at 12:20 PM.
The initial incident was a peaceful protest about this shooting (an incident currently being investigated by the police complaints commission and which has so far established the man did not fire a weapon), which turned violent. Pretty much everybody who joined in after seeing that, which is the vast bulk of the rioters, are probably apolitical. |
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Last edited by Xei; 08-10-2011 at 12:36 PM.
Almost all the rioting is caused by people taking advantage of the breakdown to steal stuff, or break stuff for fun. |
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Yeah you're all missing my point. I agree with you xei and stonedape. |
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Oppressed? How? |
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And why don't kids take these opportunities? |
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Perhaps you are just getting closer to the underlying causes; namely the welfare state that creates dependency, laziness and disrespect. |
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Last edited by Xaqaria; 09-08-2011 at 06:06 AM.
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The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
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I'm not, I'm suggesting that bloated benefits might have something to do with it. Not out of sympathy for those who are paying for it; it is arguable that they are demeaning to those in the very culture they engender. They give you the idea that work is pointless and so degrade your self-worth; they make you and those around you into dependants, with no more dignity than a baby; they give you the idea that things just fall into your lap and so you have zero respect for the property of other people. Worst of all, you are simply not out and about performing physical activity and achieving goals, something which is extremely deeply connected to your mental health as a biological being. Can this be good? |
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Yes and who made this society? Not the kids. |
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You already made that point, it isn't relevant to mine... I was talking about society and not the kids anyway? |
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sounds like the exact same problems america has with its welfare and education. My state just recently took a step in the right direction by limiting the amount of benefit a single mom gets to 3 kids. Any more than that and its on you to figure out how to support them. Its only a small step, but one that may show a bit of waking up. |
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A warrior does not give up what he loves, he finds the love in what he does
Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible.
Yes, we use to be able to have a nice welfare state without people feeling the need to take advantage of it. I blame it on the growing culture of entitlement people seem to have. Im not a social scientists, so idk where or why this sense came from, but it is a leading reason this country is going downhill. |
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A warrior does not give up what he loves, he finds the love in what he does
Only those who attempt the absurd can achieve the impossible.
My husband is 30 years older than me and he says the last truly hard-working generation was that of my grandmothers age (people now in their high 70's-80's). He's seen a lot of change, but so have I. |
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Last edited by Zhaylin; 08-10-2011 at 10:38 PM.
An accurate summary, which I would say could be easily extended far beyond kids. |
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How much do they get per week in the UK? |
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I think it has much more to do with the fact that they have no real human intimacy than having no fear. Real respect does not come out of fear, but out of understanding and seeing the value, the humanity, of someone. Our society doesn't really care about people any more, they are just consumers who can be taken advantage of. These kids have shitty parents that then send them to shitty schools, no one really ever gave a damn about them. Even the teachers who do really care about their students can't do anything because you can hardly connect with a child when there are 20+ other kids running around, and then 9 months later the kid has a different teacher. There's no human relationship, no intimacy, no tenderness, just harsh bullshit, which shouldn't be respected, not that that justifies a riot, but it certainly can cause one. |
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Well this was a shit thread to begin with, so here's a funny picture, enjoy. |
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