Thread: Why is dreamviews more liberal than society at large?

Originally Posted by Laughing Man

Are there other people taking sides in this debate? You are putting forth the argument here that society is a living organism. It is your job to justify and defend it, so far all you have actually said is the Constitution and Protestant religion. Everything else is pure fluff, and that is me being kind.



No, the "self" is a concrete example because it is actually on a physical plane. Even if the "self" is an abstract idea, there is still a gap between your conclusions. Why do individuals have no self, yet they are cells that composed a greater organism? If people are conditioned to follow the law then why are there law breakers? You are already assuming there is a hegemonic tradition in human history that allows you to say what is and isn't a "mutation." Where did you get this tradition? What are the others that supposedly surround individuals?



Yes you can form bonds and friendships but these are things you choose to incorporate and you do these things because they serve to better you in some capacity. Again, nothing is higher the the self. We are all just egoists running around doing things in our own self-interest because all action is purposeful behavior and serves as means to an end we are trying to achieve. We act to better our environment around us. That is the whole point of action and it is always about us, therefore even logically there is nothing beyond the self. Also, are you trying to say that voters aren't electing these officials into office? Then how are they getting there if not by the voting public? And yes, sometimes a company does hire outside consultants.

People are not taking sides because no one else wants to deal with you. I frankly don't care. Troll on, I say, you'll come around or suffer more. It doesn't matter to me if you get the wisdom or not. I enjoy formulating my arguments with other people. I just prefer open discussions where we can create platforms of agreement to build upon with multiple people involved. If you lurk moar, you'll see lot's of people doing it right.

The cells exist on the physical plane, too. They are concrete, real things. They operate with basic components which form very complex orders. At the end of the day, the line between physical and abstract is purely conceptual. The cells in our bodies work together for the same reason we work together, because it allows them to survive. Single celled organisms became multicellular in order to survive. Animals form herds and packs in order to survive. They're all doing it for selfish reasons. Including the cells. The concept of a single "self" is only compatible with God. A human being is a collective. Cells work in harmony for their own benefit. They made an agreement. When they break the agreement and work for themselves, it's cancer. I see a metaphor here.