Thread: Is the EU attempting to circumvent democracy?

Originally Posted by cmind

Since you're all on the subject of bad analogies, this one also sucks. Being stepped on rarely actually kills ants. Trust me, I've stepped on plenty of ants in my time.

(I still agree with Xei)

Of course you do. Democracy is for communists right?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Democracy is for communists right?

You're such a massive pile of fail. I can't fathom how you manage to be so boundlessly biased and irrational yet think you're some kind of sage.

Originally Posted by Xei

You're such a massive pile of fail. I can't fathom how you manage to be so boundlessly biased and irrational yet think you're some kind of sage.

I've never met anyone so ignorant who thought they were so smart. You cling to assumptions as worthless as christian dogma then act like Christianity is still a theory worth debunking as if religion is what's standing in the way of progress at this moment in time. You've got the whole world figure out and yet you've forgotten the most important truth of all.

I can't say I'm surprised by the way you're judging me, but I hope you'll look pass those judgments, and I'll try to look pass my judgments of you. Then again, when you automatically assume I'm excluding myself in a rant about a general human flaw, what chance do I have at relating to you?

I mean holy shit dude, how am I supposed to have hope for your intelligence when you constantly throw these personal attacks my way as a means to avoid answering my claims? First you say Egypt's military wont give up power as though that's some kind of excuse to be oppressed in the first place, then when I present evidence in the contrary you just troll. And yet you find yourself with the nerve to call me the irrational one.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

First you say Egypt's military wont give up power as though that's some kind of excuse to be oppressed in the first place, then when I present evidence in the contrary you just troll.

The whole point is that this was just another of your delusions. You make a ridiculous claim about something I said, I ask you to show me where, you disappear. And it's going to happen again now. The only ignorance and dogma you see from me is stuff you've seemingly imagined into existence due to your extremely dogmatic tendency to form fatuous false dichotomies.

Originally Posted by Xei

The whole point is that this was just another of your delusions. You make a ridiculous claim about something I said, I ask you to show me where, you show me where, I throw out a personal attack. And it's going to happen again now.

Fixed

Oh look, he didn't show me where I said that thing that I definitely said. Again.

Because I already did. Go read through the thread maybe.

'Where in the thread do I say that democracy is for communists or even express any negative opinion about democracy whatsoever'?
'Somewhere in the thread'.

Nice lying bro.

Originally Posted by Xei

'Where in the thread do I say that democracy is for communists or even express any negative opinion about democracy whatsoever'?
'Somewhere in the thread'.

Nice lying bro.

Oh that's what you were asking. I thought you were still on that whole "when did egypt's military say they were going to hand over control?" bullshit.

Your view of democracy has been negative because you implied the Egyptians should have never attempted to have their own.

Yep, still a complete fabrication. I said I wasn't optimistic about a conflict with the army. What train of thought do you have to follow to conclude that this means 'democracy is for communists'?

See what I mean?

The only ignorance and dogma you see from me is stuff you've seemingly imagined into existence due to your extremely dogmatic tendency to form fatuous false dichotomies.

Soo... what was the whole point of the EU? Because it doesn't seem like anything has improved because of it... the countries still hate each other, the Euro is crumbling, except this time ALL of the countries have to suffer from the failures of a select few economies...

I could definitely see why some people in the UK are Eurosceptics

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

Soo... what was the whole point of the EU? Because it doesn't seem like anything has improved because of it... the countries still hate each other, the Euro is crumbling, except this time ALL of the countries have to suffer from the failures of a select few economies...

I could definitely see why some people in the UK are Eurosceptics

If you want my opinion, the point of the EU was so certain central banks could monopolize the banking system in Europe.

Originally Posted by Xei

Yep, still a complete fabrication. I said I wasn't optimistic about a conflict with the army. What train of thought do you have to follow to conclude that this means 'democracy is for communists'?

See what I mean?

Just trying to defend a people that I believe deserve democracy. You never did say that they'd be better off with Mubarak but it sounded like you were heading in that direction. It sounded like you were being pessimistic about the power of revolution. I am simply defending my faith in the power of a people to overcome anything with hope and knowledge.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Just trying to defend a people that I believe deserve democracy.

And I 100% agree with you and have never said otherwise. Yet as per usual you lumped me with vehemence into the 'hates freedom' category, which is exactly what the kind of irrational bias I talked about.

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

Soo... what was the whole point of the EU? Because it doesn't seem like anything has improved because of it... the countries still hate each other, the Euro is crumbling, except this time ALL of the countries have to suffer from the failures of a select few economies...

European countries 'hate each other'..? Not sure why you think that. But otherwise as far as I can tell you are right in your analysis. It's worth also mentioning that the countries who have been hit worst of all are those who are failing. They have a large part of the culpability, but the EU has just as much.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

If you want my opinion, the point of the EU was so certain central banks could monopolize the banking system in Europe.

That's certainly one plausible explanation. Another one is that it expanded the power and size of the political class. But nevertheless, are we to understand that you think it would be better if each European country was once again independent?

Originally Posted by cmind

That's certainly one plausible explanation. Another one is that it expanded the power and size of the political class. But nevertheless, are we to understand that you think it would be better if each European country was once again independent?

The central banks own the political class. Even if european countries were economically independent it would only be a matter of time before they're dealt bad loans or forced into a recession with predatory lending or in some other way financially obligated to these larger interests and forced to sell off their assets.

Originally Posted by Xei

European countries 'hate each other'..? Not sure why you think that. But otherwise as far as I can tell you are right in your analysis. It's worth also mentioning that the countries who have been hit worst of all are those who are failing. They have a large part of the culpability, but the EU has just as much.

"hate" is probably the wrong word... but they have been warring for the past couple millennia, there has to be some tension built up since World War II, (especially since Germany and France are being relied upon to prop up the failures... but hey, Germany and France finally have something in common!) I feel bad for them; they do each have debt problems, but it's not nearly as bad as Greece or Italy, but they're all tied together for as long as they share a currency.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

The central banks own the political class. Even if european countries were economically independent it would only be a matter of time before they're dealt bad loans or forced into a recession with predatory lending or in some other way financially obligated to these larger interests and forced to sell off their assets.

I would call it more like a loving partnership between the banks and the politicians to fuck over everyone stupid enough to believe in the validity of the state.

As for your second statement, I can't make heads or tails of it. Sorry.

Originally Posted by cmind

I would call it more like a loving partnership between the banks and the politicians to fuck over everyone stupid enough to believe in the validity of the state.

As for your second statement, I can't make heads or tails of it. Sorry.

I don't see this partnership any more loving than the partnership between an employer and the employee. Let me show you my worldview.

Yet the people regularly vote for the government which then decides policy on corporations and banks. How does that work?

Originally Posted by Xei

Yet the people regularly vote for the government which then decides policy on corporations and banks. How does that work?

Again, we don't have a choice. Only big corporations can afford to finance an election campaign, elections always come down to one corporate puppet vs another. Sometime's it's even more dangerous when the electee and the corporation are one in the same, such as Dick Cheney and Haloburten / Bush and his father's oil company. The USA fought a multi trillion dollar was partially to make money for Haloburten and Bush. We would vote for someone without corporate ties if we could, we only have the option of the lesser of two evils.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

We would vote for someone without corporate ties if we could

You can. You're just collectively too stupid to. Nobody can force you to vote for anybody. There are two people trying to sell cyanide lollies and the population is so fundamentally thick that they keep buying them because they like the flashy ad campaigns. What can you do?

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So why was he lying there?

Also, since Radiohead....
this is relevant

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Again, we don't have a choice. Only big corporations can afford to finance an election campaign, elections always come down to one corporate puppet vs another. Sometime's it's even more dangerous when the electee and the corporation are one in the same, such as Dick Cheney and Haloburten / Bush and his father's oil company. The USA fought a multi trillion dollar was partially to make money for Haloburten and Bush. We would vote for someone without corporate ties if we could, we only have the option of the lesser of two evils.

^ I bet this person voted for Obama.